You know ... if they are going to do it, I'd want it to look like that.
If you combined that with the idea that Goku and Vegeta were at Jiren's level of strength during the ToP, then it really hammers home that the power jumps aren't really that big. The series does present these increases as humongous jumps in power for dramatic flare and merchandising but there are a few odd moments where it seems like the needle hasn't moved much at all, such as several of the chapters post-RoF.Geraldo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:04 pmThat can be the case only if you ignore all the bad jumps ALL throughout of "Super". My OP is there, also the huge leap that was given to Piccolo (he has the wish "plot armor") and yet-again-rusty Gohan in the latest movie; going from somewhere in the realms of the moro arc (if not somehow rustier) to stronger than normal ki Super Saiyan Goku, Vegeta and Broly (who are all should be well above Granolah and Gas we just read in the manga).Spoiler:
If Toriyama-san and Toyotaro declared that all the characters are less than 10x stronger than they were in the Buu arc I wouldn't even be mad.
It was always left vague so that Beerus could retain his top spot ... or not if they chose. They just wanted to have that option to possibly explore later. That's why I always knew that he wouldn't be surpassed by Vegetto during FT, Jiren during ToP, Broly, or Moro. They always make sure to leave some doubt whenever they create comparisons to Beerus. He's unique in that regard. When Goku or any of the others surpasses a master it's usually followed with a definitive statement ... usually from said master.ekrolo2 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:44 pm The power growth up to the ToP was fine. Goku shot past the Hakaishin but not in a permanent way that left him room to grow. The following material, particularly the Manga, keeping him stuck nebulously under Beerus despite him completing and advancing UI is completely ridiculous.