Personal pronoun guide

Son Wukong · Post by **Son Wukong** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:57 am

DB_Fan wrote:I have a similiar question, why does Bulma refers to Goku as 'Son-Kun'? I watched the original version several times, and never understood this.

I believe in the latest podcast with Julian that is also explained.

Storm · Post by **Storm** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:58 am

Yeah, kun can generally be used for close female and male friends.

EDIT: Damnit, beaten to the punch. Sort of.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:13 am

This thread makes me smile.

I remember a while back there was a podcast discussing the way some of the characters talk, and at some point the whole son family was compared... maybe that evolved in a forum thread afterward... Meh. And I was still excited when I heard Goten yell "Boku Goten!" in movie10... I dunno, I guess because it says a lot about how he differs from Goku and Gohan and is still similar to both...

Ur... Yeah.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:14 pm

Herms wrote:Future Gohan uses "Ore" during the special Trunks manga chapter ("It seems you'll surpass me it a few more months"), and probably in the Trunks TV special as well (too lazy to check right now).

I just checked, and use it left and right from his first line. It's like the third or fourth word he speaks.

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:14 am

Herms wrote:Future Gohan uses "Ore" during the special Trunks manga chapter ("It seems you'll surpass me it a few more months"), and probably in the Trunks TV special as well (too lazy to check right now). Then Ultimate Gohan uses "Ore" as well, though he's only seen using it when talking to Majin Buu. Not that he's shown using something different when talking to other people, it's just that the only time he's shown using any pronoun to refer to himself is during his scenes with Buu, and even then only in the scene where Gotenks and Piccolo are absorbed and onward. One of the things about Japanese is that it's easy to leave pronouns out of your speech, so a character can talk for pages before using one, in situations where any English translation would have to include one constantly. Another thing to note is that in Japanese there's no distinction between "I" and "me". The same word is used for both.

If there is no distinction between "I" and "me" in Japanese, then how can the Japanese people tell the difference? I assume it has something to do with the place in the sentence?

Post by **Herms** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:42 am

Well, is there any real difference in meaning between "I" and "me" in English? It's really just a matter of grammer.

Piccolo Daimao · Post by **Piccolo Daimao** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:47 am

Superb guide, Herms!

VenomSymbiote · Post by **VenomSymbiote** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:56 am

Wow, great job man! I really liked reading this!

mysteriousdbzgt · Post by **mysteriousdbzgt** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:29 pm

Very interesting stuff. Brilliant work, Herms.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:48 pm

I don't think this is considered necro-posting [of the no-no kind] because I'm trying to continue conversation, but who knows...

Herms wrote:Goku usually uses "Ora", the hick form of "Ore". However, when he first transforms into a Super Saiya-jin he switches to using "Ore". Super Saiya-jin Goku again uses "Ore" when he fights No. 19, but after training in the Room of Spirit and Time he uses "Ora" even as a Super Saiya-jin, perhaps because he got used to the form. As Vegetto he uses "Ore", probably due to Vegeta's influence and the same is true of Gogeta.

I was just wondering, how does this apply to Super Saiyan Gokû in the films? I imagine movie 9-13 Gokû uses 'ora' as a Super Saiyan, but in movies 4-8 (espicially

, it seems he isn't his 'Full Power' and 'mastered' self as a Super Saiyan. Does Toei write him as using 'ore' or 'ora'?

Thanks!

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:02 pm

Great read as always, Herms. I really found Piccolo's interesting! Does he keep up the Ore-tachi at any other point n the series or just the fight with Freeza?

Post by **Herms** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:11 pm

Well, here's the Kanzentai version of this guide. Now with pictures! Everything's better with pictures.

JulieYBM wrote:I was just wondering, how does this apply to Super Saiyan Gokû in the films? I imagine movie 9-13 Gokû uses 'ora' as a Super Saiyan, but in movies 4-8 (espicially 8), it seems he isn't his 'Full Power' and 'mastered' self as a Super Saiyan. Does Toei write him as using 'ore' or 'ora'?

I haven't watched any of the movies for a long time, so I don't really know. Sorry.

SonGokuGT wrote:Great read as always, Herms. I really found Piccolo's interesting! Does he keep up the Ore-tachi at any other point n the series or just the fight with Freeza?

I'm pretty sure it's just with the Freeza fight, and only in the anime.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:47 pm

Thank you, Herms! Very interesting. I think it must have been done to add impact to the fusion and maybe shake Freeza up a little bit. Oh, the little subtleties that are lost in translation!

Unicorn_Bazooka · Post by **Unicorn_Bazooka** » Mon May 20, 2013 2:19 pm

Just noticed something.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bwIRg5ogqgc

Goku has used "Ore" in only two fights, but here he uses it again for some reason.
I checked the original version of the fight between SSJ3 Gpku and Fat Buu, but there he used the simple "Ora".

What would this be for?

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