Censorship in Kai: How Do You Feel About It?

KaiserNeko · Post by **KaiserNeko** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:58 am

I'm starting this thread primarily because the topic of censorship is clogging the episode talkbacks.

Personally, I don't care if it's a child's penis, a gaping hole in the chest, or a cigarette. This is utterly unnecessary censorship considering these episodes have been accessible, acceptable, and otherwise unaltered for so long. We're finding the works we grew up with being changed, protecting people from something they surely don't need any protection from.

But this is my opinion, so what are yours?

Son Sebbe · Post by **Son Sebbe** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:06 am

I fell the same way as you.. It started with laws finger in One Piece... Since, nearly everything has been cencored... (Everything = OP and Kai)

But then again, I can just step up and walk two meters and either grab the entire Orignal anime or the manga... So.. It's our own choise to watch it...

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:07 am

The only thing about it that really bothers me is that it can only be taking away time for more/better re-animation of scenes that actually deserve it. I'd rather them spend the time normally spent on covering up wee-wees, on stuff like spending a little more time planning out how they're going to pace the episode, and use the manga as more of a reference than they are.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:08 am

I feel like I'm beating a dead horse, but I really don't care so long as I own the originals. Well, close to the originals (Viz manga and Season Sets -- close enough for me, but that's just me).

I guess the fact that the show is on at 9am might have something to do with some of the censorship, but as people have pointed out, it doesn't stop One Piece at 9:30.

As much as I don't care about the censorship (or how good or bad Kai is in general; basically I only care about it because I'm curious about what those lovable Toei people will do next, and also what the pace is like), I do think it's pointless. The burn/bruise on Goku's chest didn't look deadly enough. And I think it was Inna who pointed out that when they cover up nudity, it just makes me go, "Why do you feel it's necessary to do that?" like I'm not the only making a big deal out of the nudity for it not being there, but they are for taking it out. If that makes any sense.

So yeah, censoring the blood and stuff like that seems completely pointless to me. But I don't care enough to rage about it.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:11 am

I don't like censorship in general. A pox on Japan for going from being reasonable and levelheaded to a bunch of sissified nannies. They've sold out from the good old days of Fist of the North Star.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:13 am

AKA: The official "Make Saiyavenger Look Like A Complete Dick" thread.

Anyways, I'm 50/50. While I'm unbelievably glad to see the drug/alcohol/smoking references getting cut, as well as the various coverups of Goku and/or Gohan's wedding tackle, I'm a little iffy on the violence aspect.

I'm not exactly mad about some of the blood getting cut. That's fine. This is Dragonball. Not a fucking horror movie. My issue is the inconsistency. If you're gonna have the attack still go through both Goku and Raditz, then you can't just have it leave a slight bruise. Furthermore, if you're gonna have it just be a slight bruise, you can't go in the next episode and have blood around the "wound" and in the grass.

In a nutshell...
Censoring alcohol/drugs/tobacco? THANK YOU TOEI.
Censoring nudity? Very classy move.
Censoring blood? MAKE UP YOUR GODDAMN MIND, TOEI.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:14 am

I agree with KaiserNeko in that I don't see why they went and censored it. I'm a bit perturbed that Toei's decided to pull some pages out of Saban's playbook. Can I link to this for examples? This clip has some of my favorite examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AiUaPRjmb4

I mean, it's not as BAD as the Saban edits (nobody's gone to another dimension), but when they made a point to poke fun at the old dub of DB's edits on the Dragon Box, it's kind of odd for them to turn around and pull similar edits.

I'm disappointed about gaping wound/blood edits the most. Not that I'm here for carnage or anything, but having just a smoky circle left behind on Goku's chest kind of devalues how much physical pain he's actually in and what he just allowed Piccolo to do.

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:21 am

Meh, I'm fine with it. I did find the bruise on Goku's chest stupid, but I guess the internal damage theory is fine.

I'm ok with the rest, although I honestly don't remember a cigarette in the manga

Tweaker · Post by **Tweaker** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:31 am

I'm against censorship in any shape or form, regardless of what it aims to cover up. At the end of the day, any facet of media that is censored will heavily point towards what it's censoring anyway, such as the censorship of genitalia (spoiler--everyone has them), swearing (hi there--we know what you said), or violence (I guess people just shoot out rainbows and sunshine during wars, huh?

). It's just needless fluff that attempts to stifle the whining masses that refuse to accept responsibility or moderation in how they take care of their kids, and in turn makes kids want to go out and learn more about what they're being prevented from seeing. In a sense, it's entirely counter-productive.

The fact that works are being re-edited to remove content that was originally there--and completely acceptable, mind you--is absolutely ridiculous. It was fine then, and no significant events have changed the impact that a gash in somebody's chest or an animated television show acknowledging the existence of the penis will have on a person. What's the deal? Is somebody seriously just trying to take the piss? It's completely beyond me.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Mon May 04, 2009 2:01 am

I'm pretty sure no one here WANTS censoring. It's just stupid and makes Kai even less relevant.

Post by **TripleRach** » Mon May 04, 2009 2:07 am

I have never had tolerance for censorship of any kind, and that includes cropping footage to change the aspect ratio, but let's not get into that. In this case, I still don't agree with it, but it doesn't particularly bother me because it's an alternate version of DBZ. When FUNimation/Saban originally did it, that version was the only version available in the US for a long time. Eventually, they started releasing uncut DVDs, and people bought those and didn't really care how the Buu episodes were censored on Cartoon Network. That's basically how I feel about this.

Until Toei/Pony Canyon discontinues all the DBZ DVDs and makes it their only version of animated Raditz to Buu, I just don't see what there is to get upset about. Viz actually did that and stopped printing their uncut manga volumes, but I just find it hard to imagine the same thing happening here. 改 Kai refers to revisions or modifications, and it wouldn't make any sense for a revision to be the only version. Plus, they'd probably have to discontinue DB and GT, too, since "Dragon Ball Kai" implies it's a revision of Dragon Ball overall; they didn't call it "Dragon Ball Z Kai," after all.

I am pretty baffled as to why they did it, though, especially when One Piece airs immediately afterward and apparently doesn't have the same restrictions at all. It's true the original anime was usually gorier than the manga, but that doesn't account for all the censorship. Are broadcast standards for 9 AM that much different than 9:30 AM, or is it part of some scheme to keep the DBZ DVDs selling, or an attempt to appeal to international markets, or...? It's just really bizarre.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Mon May 04, 2009 2:43 am

I hate censorship in any format. End.

Smooth Criminal · Post by **Smooth Criminal** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:15 am

It ruins any kind of merit or appeal the show originally had.

I quit watching after episode three. Now I'm hearing about censoring CIGARATTES, just like they did during the Saban days? What's next, will they paint over the beer to make it look like foamy water, too? Draw an apple tree on Gohan's dick? Maybe we'll get really lucky and see giant cartoon stars drawn over character's faces when they get punched!

This is just getting ridiculous.

Saiyavenger2941 · Post by **Saiyavenger2941** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:30 am

Smooth Criminal wrote:It ruins any kind of merit or appeal the show originally had.

Yes. The entire show's appeal and legacy was kiddiedicks and flying cigarettes. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I'VE PLUNKED DOWN HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS AND DEVOTED 10 YEARS OF MY LIFE TO. FORGET THE GREAT STORY AND CHARACTERS. IT'S ALL ABOUT KID COCKS AND CANCER STICKS.

And you people think my statements are nonsensical? Jeebus.

Smooth Criminal · Post by **Smooth Criminal** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:37 am

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:
Smooth Criminal wrote:It ruins any kind of merit or appeal the show originally had.
Yes. The entire show's appeal and legacy was kiddiedicks and flying cigarettes. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I'VE PLUNKED DOWN HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS AND DEVOTED 10 YEARS OF MY LIFE TO. FORGET THE GREAT STORY AND CHARACTERS. IT'S ALL ABOUT KID COCKS AND CANCER STICKS.

And you people think my statements are nonsensical? Jeebus.

Calm the fuck down. My opinion is my opinion. And to clarify, by saying "the show," I was referring to Kai, not Dragon Ball in its entirety. In other words, I am saying that by censoring Kai for no apparent reason, I can not justify watching it, despite a few new goodies, such as the OP/ED. I was not trying to suggest that DB is all about the things which are being cut out. However, it certainly is an annoying distraction.

I thought you had been talked to about your bullshit in another thread. Seriously-- can it.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:48 am

I'm done with Kai. When they changed a gaping hole to a light bruise I was done. Not that it matters to Toei but Funimation can forget me buying the eventual dvd release. As for censoring smoking and dtinking, thats just asinine.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Mon May 04, 2009 4:14 am

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:
Mystery Person X wrote: Seriously, WTF is with this martyr complex? Are you new to the internet or something?
Martyr complex? Psh. Please.

Saiyavenger2941 wrote:AKA: The official "Make Saiyavenger Look Like A Complete Dick" thread.

Yeah.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Mon May 04, 2009 4:15 am

Smooth Criminal wrote:Now I'm hearing about censoring CIGARATTES.

Actually I don't mind censoring tobacco products because they do nobody good at all, and people shouldn't use these evil products. Where in Kai did they do this though?

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Mon May 04, 2009 4:18 am

sangofe wrote:I don't mind censoring tobacco products because they do nobody good at all

Then again, neither do punches or kicks.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon May 04, 2009 4:25 am

sangofe wrote:
Smooth Criminal wrote:Now I'm hearing about censoring CIGARATTES.
Actually I don't mind censoring tobacco products because they do nobody good at all, and people shouldn't use these evil products. Where in Kai did they do this though?

Gyumao had it while in the hovercar with Chichi. Technically it looks like they just didn't use the shots where he had it (before he dropped it) rather than going out of their way to edit it out. Not that I'm trying to defend Kai, just stating the facts.

Olivier Hague wrote:Then again, neither do punches or kicks.

Beat me to it.

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