Selecta Vision DBZ/GT

Daimo-Rukiri · Post by **Daimo-Rukiri** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:40 pm

Before I begin this topic I would like to point out that I do know that they received dragon box masters. Why it went through a remastering process is beyond me but from zonaDVDs comparisons it looks great.

I've just finished collecting Dragon Ball Z Remastered strictly for sub purposes, and well the DUB with the original sound track. But I think the picture is gawd awful and everyone I talk to thinks I spend to much on dragonball.

I do have 1 DBOX single of DBZ and well it's 001, from ZonaDVDs comparison it looks accurate but can't make a true comparison without seeing them both in motion. With Selecta's DVDs they seem a bit blurred but I've fixed GTs season sets by just sharpening the images(worked wonders....) And reverted the lightened colors back to the original DBOX colors.

Since Selecta Vision has remastered the film, is it worth purchasing? I mean... I see very few differences here, and looks like the Dragon Box from my single comparison. I would like to point out that colors shouldn't matter if it's remastered from the original print, most of the comparisons aren't far off from the colors at all, they look like they were a tad bit brightened. Vegeta on the other hand you would have to edit a bit with your TV.

If anyone has some DBOX and Select Vision DVD comparison(DBZ and GT only) please post, I'm short on cash and don't have around $1,500 to go and purchase all the singles from CDJapan.

- Daimo-Rukiri (Erick)

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:08 pm

I've got Selecta Vision's Dragon Box 1. Just let me know what you need and I shall provide!

Daimo-Rukiri · Post by **Daimo-Rukiri** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:42 pm

Quality is mostly my concern, by the zonaDVD comparisons it would seem that it's defiantly a remaster and a good one(not the crap I've received in the US)

And, like all. Are most of the original colors from the print there?
And is it one of the best alternatives than the Dragon Boxes? As, I'm like most adults have bills to pay. Also, did the French receive DBox esq. Masters?

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:58 pm

Zona's DVDs suffer from a bad amount of ghosting.

France's DVDs have bad bitrate, but appear to be damn near identical to the dragonbox in every other way (colors, grain etc).

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:40 pm

bkev wrote:France's DVDs have bad bitrate, but appear to be damn near identical to the dragonbox in every other way (colors, grain etc).

I can't remember about France's release of the TV series, but their release of the movies was actually quite terrible compared to the Dragon Box, in my opinion.

Here's a color comparison done by desirecampbell:

Here are some more comparisons: http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=5717

And here's a comparison between France's release and FUNi's double feature

I mean, the the letterboxing of the footage to make it full-screen is enough of a turnoff to for me.

Daimao-Rukiri wrote:And is it one of the best alternatives than the Dragon Boxes? As, I'm like most adults have bills to pay. Also, did the French receive DBox esq. Masters?

The French release used their own AB footage, and simply remastered that (in a similar fashion to what FUNi did to DBZ season 2, it seem). I would say that either the zonaDVD release or the FUNi double features are the best alternative to the actual movies Dragon Box. (Or maybe the Italian release, I don't remember exactly how that ended up looking, but it seemed like it was going to turn out very nice)

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:02 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote: I mean, the the letterboxing of the footage to make it full-screen is enough of a turnoff to for me.

What do you mean?, were the French releases non-anamorphic widescreen?.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:19 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:I mean, the the letterboxing of the footage to make it full-screen is enough of a turnoff to for me.
What do you mean?, were the French releases non-anamorphic widescreen?.

Yep, they were.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:22 pm

Daimo-Rukiri wrote:Quality is mostly my concern, by the zonaDVD comparisons it would seem that it's defiantly a remaster and a good one(not the crap I've received in the US)

And, like all. Are most of the original colors from the print there?
And is it one of the best alternatives than the Dragon Boxes? As, I'm like most adults have bills to pay. Also, did the French receive DBox esq. Masters?

My only gripe about the Spanish DVD's is the interlacing and ghosting. Other than that, I think they're a great alternative to the DragonBoxes.

EDIT: If you have any requests for any specific lossless PNG screenshot files, let me know!

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:33 am

SonGokuGT wrote:
Daimo-Rukiri wrote:Quality is mostly my concern, by the zonaDVD comparisons it would seem that it's defiantly a remaster and a good one(not the crap I've received in the US)

And, like all. Are most of the original colors from the print there?
And is it one of the best alternatives than the Dragon Boxes? As, I'm like most adults have bills to pay. Also, did the French receive DBox esq. Masters?
My only gripe about the Spanish DVD's is the interlacing and ghosting. Other than that, I think they're a great alternative to the DragonBoxes.

EDIT: If you have any requests for any specific lossless PNG screenshot files, let me know!

Isn't the ghosting due to PAL's different (higher?) framerate? Couldn't you fix that issue with Virtualdubmod or something?

Daimo-Rukiri · Post by **Daimo-Rukiri** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:19 am

Metalwario64 wrote:
SonGokuGT wrote:
Daimo-Rukiri wrote:Quality is mostly my concern, by the zonaDVD comparisons it would seem that it's defiantly a remaster and a good one(not the crap I've received in the US)

And, like all. Are most of the original colors from the print there?
And is it one of the best alternatives than the Dragon Boxes? As, I'm like most adults have bills to pay. Also, did the French receive DBox esq. Masters?
My only gripe about the Spanish DVD's is the interlacing and ghosting. Other than that, I think they're a great alternative to the DragonBoxes.

EDIT: If you have any requests for any specific lossless PNG screenshot files, let me know!
Isn't the ghosting due to PAL's different (higher?) framerate? Couldn't you fix that issue with Virtualdubmod or something?

From what I've heard VDM can do that, but not sure. Is it a free/paid program?

I'm just trying to find a alternative that has the same great quality, and less of a bitch to my wallet or credit card.

Edit:

Since, DBZ and GT are done. When is Dragon Ball going to be done? I really like the quality of these DVDs. Also, I've read somewhere that some HDTVs alone with some HD mumbo jumbo can fix ghosting(NOT SURE!).

Puto · Post by **Puto** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:05 pm

Makes me wonder why they wouldn't just speed up the thing to 25fps and call it a day instead of going around with complicated ghosting algorithms.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:11 pm

If the ghosting is present on the actual transfer of the disc due to the mastering before it even hits DVD... there's generally not a whole lot you can do about it. In playback on TV you're pretty boned, and even in terms of doing some IVTC on a computer it's going to be INCREDIBLY difficult going from PAL to its original film... especially if they went from interlaced to PAL instead of film to PAL.

Puto wrote:Makes me wonder why they wouldn't just speed up the thing to 25fps and call it a day instead of going around with complicated ghosting algorithms.

Keep in mind it also affects the audio. Transfers that just speed things up end up with ~4% difference in the sound. I've mentioned it before, but I cannot freakin' stand how terrible the original Japanese score sounds sped up by 4%...! I'm shocked anyone in PAL territories with that problem in their versions EVER got around to liking it!

Puto · Post by **Puto** » Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:20 pm

Or you can apply an FFT algorithm to speed up the audio without actually changing the pitch. With that said, though, I really don't see what's the problem with having the audio slightly pitched up. It doesn't sound bad to me at all, except maybe the openings... (ok, so We Gotta Power sounds a bit bad, but that's pretty much the exception, I think...)