Kai Episode 14 (05 July 2009)

Vino · Post by **Vino** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:24 pm

I switched the Audio of Kai with Z, damn that was hard to sync all of the voices

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:28 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:The classic color shifting sky of the Saiya-jin Arc (I actually REALLY like this touch).

You can compare the colors of the sky to these Dragon Box screenshots taken by DBW:
I thought kei17 had concluded, beyond a doubt, that those colors were all wrong though, and that the DragonBox masters had deteriorated. *cough*

I know, I'm a bastard. Still, the point remains...

-Corey

Well, uh...he's right.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:42 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote:The classic color shifting sky of the Saiya-jin Arc (I actually REALLY like this touch).

You can compare the colors of the sky to these Dragon Box screenshots taken by DBW:
I thought kei17 had concluded, beyond a doubt, that those colors were all wrong though, and that the DragonBox masters had deteriorated. *cough*

I know, I'm a bastard. Still, the point remains...

-Corey
Well, uh...he's right.

I'm right or kei17 is right? Just saying, if it's wrong colors and they're recoloring everything, it's odd that they'd stick with the wrong colors instead of refreshing them like everything else.

-Corey

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:44 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote: I thought kei17 had concluded, beyond a doubt, that those colors were all wrong though, and that the DragonBox masters had deteriorated. *cough*

I know, I'm a bastard. Still, the point remains...

-Corey
Well, uh...he's right.
I'm right or kei17 is right? Just saying, if it's wrong colors and they're recoloring everything, it's odd that they'd stick with the wrong colors instead of refreshing them like everything else.

-Corey

Kei17. And since the Dragon Box source is all they have, they just use that.

Although I'm probably misinterpreting what you're saying

Horgus · Post by **Horgus** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:48 pm

Loved the episode, but I'm afraid I had the distinct impression throughout that Vegeta needed very badly to clear his throat.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:02 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:I'm right or kei17 is right? Just saying, if it's wrong colors and they're recoloring everything, it's odd that they'd stick with the wrong colors instead of refreshing them like everything else.

-Corey
Kei17. And since the Dragon Box source is all they have, they just use that.

Although I'm probably misinterpreting what you're saying

Emphasis added.

-Corey

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:22 pm

Here are my full thoughts on the episode:

-There was an aweful lot of short (one panel) manga moments of Yajirobe cut.

-I thought that was terrible music choice for the Gyallic Ho/Kamehameha battle! Not only has the song been used to death already (the piece used in Z had only been used three times previously, with the most recent being Dragonball ep 151), but it captures NONE of the dramatic element from the scene, only the "intense action" element. There was no drama behind it, and it just felt like a generic super attack, not a defining point in the arc.

-Side Note: I never noticed how so many of the angles in the anime are flopped versions of the exact same frames in the manga. o.O

-I hope they re-animated some of the scenes (or will re-animate) with the two-toned sky (color-wise), so that we can get some nice Dragon Box comparisons (I watched the episode on my Zune, so I couldn't really tell).

-I thought Kaio-sama's voice of the Godfather-esque BGM during Vegeta's Energy Ball scene was so nice. Reminded me of something...

Was the scene of Gohan and Kuririn looking back and deciding to go back to help Goku and spliced up in Z like it was in Kai?

-Side Note: At least the last two episodes have ended in the middle of manga chapters.

-The next episode preview showed at least two chapters into the future.

ect5150 · Post by **ect5150** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:27 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:And since the Dragon Box source is all they have, they just use that.

If they are redoing it all, they are not limited to anything... no? They could have re-colored it purple or red... but they didn't. They chose to make it the green-ish sky. Why do that if its wrong?

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:10 am

ect5150 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:And since the Dragon Box source is all they have, they just use that.
If they are redoing it all, they are not limited to anything... no? They could have re-colored it purple or red... but they didn't. They chose to make it the green-ish sky. Why do that if its wrong?

THIS IS KAI NOT Z DONTYOUFORGETIT!!!

Yeah, pretty much...

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:18 pm

Finally found some time to watch the episode. It was pretty good.

I still like Vegeta's voice, it is different, but I still like it.

The music was in the Kamehameha scene was ok, I never really listen to music on movies. But it has been used too much.

What's the correct translation for Vegeta's attack? Garlic or Galick?

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:17 pm

Rod wrote: What's the correct translation for Vegeta's attack? Garlic or Galick?

Garlic is written "gaarikku" in katakana, Vegeta's attack is written "gyarikku". The most proper way of writing it would thus be "Gyalic".

Big Boss · Post by **Big Boss** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:52 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:Reminded me of something...

Internet...won.

That's awesome, Julian does a pretty good Brando.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:44 am

I must say watching DBZ for these episodes is ten times better than whatching Kai, especially with the weak VA and music performances in Kai... Plus the stupid censoring, of course.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:41 am

sangofe wrote:I must say watching DBZ for these episodes is ten times better than whatching Kai, especially with the weak VA and music performances in Kai... Plus the stupid censoring, of course.

You mean the lack-of- blinking? That's a Godsend for me.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:57 am

Vino wrote:I switched the Audio of Kai with Z, damn that was hard to sync all of the voices

You want to maybe upload some clips of that concoction of yours to YouTube or something?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:16 am

Kendamu wrote:
sangofe wrote:I must say watching DBZ for these episodes is ten times better than whatching Kai, especially with the weak VA and music performances in Kai... Plus the stupid censoring, of course.
You mean the lack-of- blinking? That's a Godsend for me.

That had to be changed anyway, because of the Pokemon incident. TV standards change, people!

Vino · Post by **Vino** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:22 am

SSj_Rambo wrote:
Vino wrote:I switched the Audio of Kai with Z, damn that was hard to sync all of the voices
You want to maybe upload some clips of that concoction of yours to YouTube or something?

I did..the Kamehameha scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoiJDZMwkrE

biohazard · Post by **biohazard** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:15 am

The image on top is from episode 13. The bottom image is from the recap of episode 14.
Does it imply that the blu-ray/DVD edition will keep the original frames without redrawing them and that they redrew them only to avoid the Pokemon syndrome while airing it on TV?

Chibi Mystic Gohan · Post by **Chibi Mystic Gohan** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:55 am

I don't follow.

YouTube · Post by **Hujio** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:42 pm

biohazard wrote:The image on top is from episode 13. The bottom image is from the recap of episode 14.
Does it imply that the Blu-ray/DVD edition will keep the original frames without redrawing them and that they redrew them only to avoid the Pokemon syndrome while airing it on TV?

[snipped image]

That's an interesting find, but I don't think it tells us anything definitive. Though I'll admit it has been odd seeing re-animated footage in the next episode preview but never in the episode recaps. They've also been switching back and forth between somewhat recycling recap material and completely redoing the recap, although I think that has more to do with how many original episodes of DragonBall Z they covered. I think this is just another one of those things that didn't get caught before the episode aired.

And as far as some of your logic is concerned, I have to agree with Chibi Mystic Gohan, I don't follow. How would it imply that the re-animated material was only for the TV broadcast because of the "Pokémon syndrome"? The recap itself shows the unaltered version of this scene, so wouldn't that logically contradict that statement? If they were trying to avoid the "Pokémon syndrome", why would they show the scene that could possibly cause "Pokémon syndrome" in the recap but show it re-animated in the previous episode?

Kanzenshuu

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