Christopher Sabat drops hints on Kai's dub...

Post by **Herms** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:50 pm

Maybe a woman could do a really good job as Freeza, but that woman is clearly not Young, despite her being good in other roles.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:24 pm

I don't find Young's Freeza nearly as teeth gratingly annoying as Sean's King Kai though. I'd recast him before I would Young easily.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:46 am

NeptuneKai wrote:I don't find Young's Freeza nearly as teeth gratingly annoying as Sean's King Kai though. I'd recast him before I would Young easily.

Brice. Armstrong. Anyone?

ShadowDude112 · Post by **ShadowDude112** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:48 am

I'm just hoping they pronounce Kaio-ken correctly. I'm sick of hearing Kayo-Ken I mean they did it right in the Ocean dub for the first three movies on it's home release.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:14 am

bkev wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I don't find Young's Freeza nearly as teeth gratingly annoying as Sean's King Kai though. I'd recast him before I would Young easily.
Brice. Armstrong. Anyone?

I concur.

Also, Troy Baker as Kamesennin and Ed Blaylock as Kami.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:25 am

The Time Traveller wrote:You may think I'm a hypocrite for wanting a woman to play Goku, and a man to play Freeza, the vice versa of the Funi dub, but that's how it should be, it's who the characters are.

Goku's a girl?

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:28 am

Rocketman wrote:Goku's a girl?

Hey, don't complain, this would make Chichi at least bi. Giggity etc.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:32 am

Rocketman wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:You may think I'm a hypocrite for wanting a woman to play Goku, and a man to play Freeza, the vice versa of the Funi dub, but that's how it should be, it's who the characters are.
Goku's a girl?

Maybe seventy years ago she was a girl. Goku is an elderly woman.

It's still exponentially better than some constipated Superman voice that misses the point of the character entirely.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:36 am

I don't think Mr. Schemmel tries for the Superman voice; in my opinion, that's solely due to the script. Surely he's no Nozawa, but... definitely no Superman either.

penguintruth · Post by **penguintruth** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:47 am

Well, to be exact, it's more like a cross between "generic Saturday morning cartoon superhero voice" and an impression of Ian Corlett's Goku.

I certainly don't think "Goku" when I hear that voice. Not that I think that when I hear Ian Corlett, either.

Hell, maybe there's a male voice for Goku out there, one that's perfect for him (can I nominate MasakoX?), that captures all the child-like charm and naivety of the character but remains masculine enough. But he hasn't been cast yet.

Cold Skin · Post by **Cold Skin** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:24 am

I don't think Goku should have a female voice in western versions, it just wouldn't fit. Reminds me of that time where they tried, for one episode, to copy the Japanese concept in the French dub: adult Goku was voiced by the woman voicing him as a child, trying to sound more adult. Just awful, no matter who voices Goku, I can't imagine any woman voice I've ever heard on him, even when trying to sound manly.

As for Freezer, his voice desperately needs changing, cause he's out of character in the funi dub: the guy's supposed to have some kind of majesty in his voice, he's a very classy, snobbish emperor carefully choosing his words and being very calm (most of the time, cause he also has his moments, which makes those moments all the more dangerous since he usually is cold-blooded). The Japanese voice is perfect for that, it participates to the immediate respect you have for him, you immediately feel he's not anybody and he has quite a lot of charisma. But the English voice makes him sound like just a little brat who needs to be slapped out of his cockery, which is quite different from the impression we're supposed to get. I really enjoy hearing every single of his lines in Japanese, but I dislike them in English, so there's gotta be a problem there!

That's just my opinion though, but it really feels like - simply because of the voice - the character is totally different in Japanese and in English. Just compare a same line said in English and in Japanese, and it's obviously not the same behavior somehow: one sounds majestic, the other sounds like a brat...

So in my opinion, the top priority would be to change Freezer's voice!

StrangebuttsPHD · Post by **StrangebuttsPHD** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:14 pm

Duo wrote:
Mr. Schemmel also did Lucario in Smash Bros Brawl

No, that Lucario was done by Bill Rogers, the current voice of Brock in the Pokemon dub and the voice of many Pokemons like Chimchar, Bonsly, Sudowoodo, Croagunk, Electrivire, Magnezone, Blaziken, Weavile and many, many many, many more. I've met the guy, he's very funny. People are confused because Sean played Lucario in one of those Pokemon movies.

It would be great to see Sean back as Goku if they dub Kai, but something people seem to forget is that he lives in New York now. It could really be out of his way. The video games are dubbed very quickly, dubbing a series can and would take a lot longer.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:19 pm

Cold Skin wrote:I don't think Goku should have a female voice in western versions, it just wouldn't fit. Reminds me of that time where they tried, for one episode, to copy the Japanese concept in the French dub: adult Goku was voiced by the woman voicing him as a child, trying to sound more adult. Just awful, no matter who voices Goku, I can't imagine any woman voice I've ever heard on him, even when trying to sound manly.

As for Freezer, his voice desperately needs changing, cause he's out of character in the funi dub: the guy's supposed to have some kind of majesty in his voice, he's a very classy, snobbish emperor carefully choosing his words and being very calm (most of the time, cause he also has his moments, which makes those moments all the more dangerous since he usually is cold-blooded). The Japanese voice is perfect for that, it participates to the immediate respect you have for him, you immediately feel he's not anybody and he has quite a lot of charisma. But the English voice makes him sound like just a little brat who needs to be slapped out of his cockery, which is quite different from the impression we're supposed to get. I really enjoy hearing every single of his lines in Japanese, but I dislike them in English, so there's gotta be a problem there!

That's just my opinion though, but it really feels like - simply because of the voice - the character is totally different in Japanese and in English. Just compare a same line said in English and in Japanese, and it's obviously not the same behavior somehow: one sounds majestic, the other sounds like a brat...

So in my opinion, the top priority would be to change Freezer's voice!

Japanese Freeza is flawless..... And I ws surprised by Naruto's villain Orochimaru, because he's a lot simmilar to Ryusei Nakao's voice

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:11 pm

StrangebuttsPHD wrote:
Duo wrote:
Mr. Schemmel also did Lucario in Smash Bros Brawl

No, that Lucario was done by Bill Rogers, the current voice of Brock in the Pokemon dub and the voice of many Pokemons like Chimchar, Bonsly, Sudowoodo, Croagunk, Electrivire, Magnezone, Blaziken, Weavile and many, many many, many more. I've met the guy, he's very funny. People are confused because Sean played Lucario in one of those Pokemon movies.

It would be great to see Sean back as Goku if they dub Kai, but something people seem to forget is that he lives in New York now. It could really be out of his way. The video games are dubbed very quickly, dubbing a series can and would take a lot longer.

You're right. It seems to be a common misconception, because Sean Schemmel did the voice of Lucario in that one Pokemon movie that was about Lucario. The more you know, I guess.

StrangebuttsPHD · Post by **StrangebuttsPHD** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:47 pm

Duo wrote:
StrangebuttsPHD wrote:
Duo wrote:
Mr. Schemmel also did Lucario in Smash Bros Brawl

No, that Lucario was done by Bill Rogers, the current voice of Brock in the Pokemon dub and the voice of many Pokemons like Chimchar, Bonsly, Sudowoodo, Croagunk, Electrivire, Magnezone, Blaziken, Weavile and many, many many, many more. I've met the guy, he's very funny. People are confused because Sean played Lucario in one of those Pokemon movies.

It would be great to see Sean back as Goku if they dub Kai, but something people seem to forget is that he lives in New York now. It could really be out of his way. The video games are dubbed very quickly, dubbing a series can and would take a lot longer.
You're right. It seems to be a common misconception, because Sean Schemmel did the voice of Lucario in that one Pokemon movie that was about Lucario. The more you know, I guess.

Yeah no sweat, a lot of people make that mistake. Sean only played the Lucario in that Pokemon movie. I think it's called The Mystery of Lucario and Mew or something like that. All of the other Lucarios in the video games in the anime (so far) been voiced by Bill Rogers in English.

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:01 pm

They won't be able to match the greatness that is Ryusei Nakao's Freeza, but they can try damn it!

No more old lady with lung cancer voice. I beg of you, FUNi.

Also, it would be nice if they whipped out "Son Goku", correct technique names

For people saying FUNi isn't up for the job, all I need to refer you to is the One Piece dub. It's fantastic, and although I feel that the Japanese version is superior, it's honestly not by much.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:56 pm

Problem is, it's not that easy for them to just change names back to the original ones, because while we would like to see it, there are thousands who would probably take offence to having the dub style changed. I mean, a lot of these people have grown up with the dub, and won't take kindly to watching a series where "it's all been changed."

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:11 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Problem is, it's not that easy for them to just change names back to the original ones, because while we would like to see it, there are thousands who would probably take offence to having the dub style changed. I mean, a lot of these people have grown up with the dub, and won't take kindly to watching a series where "it's all been changed."

Man, I grown too in comunist and later post-comunist country and I'm 100% supporting democracy........

What I wanted to say is, that if someone did bad thing early, it's okay to don't change it to something good if you have opportunity only because people are accustomed with it.

That's the opposite of progress and it's called conservatism. I consider it as one of the biggest threats for civilization on this planet.

B · Post by B » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:48 pm

That is true, the backlash would be terrible. I would stay away from the internet until it blew over.

Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:50 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Problem is, it's not that easy for them to just change names back to the original ones, because while we would like to see it, there are thousands who would probably take offence to having the dub style changed. I mean, a lot of these people have grown up with the dub, and won't take kindly to watching a series where "it's all been changed."

Then tough nookies for them. Respecting and actually doing a good job with the material should always take precedence over trying to appease anyone who, for God only knows what reasons, actually prefers some prior, badly-made, botched version.

For example, 4Kids' dub of One Piece had its fans too, believe it or not. FUNimation didn't cater to them when they re-dubbed that series because that would hurt the quality of their new dub. If they get a chance to re-dub DBZ in some capacity, even just vicariously through Kai, then they shouldn't do it then either. If they can do it the right way this time, then for Dende's sake, they SHOULD!

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