DBZ Kai Dub - Ideal Recasts?

[SilverPlaqueVII]

The reason why nobody has a problem with Freeza being voiced by a woman is because he looks like one.

Er...no he doesn't. What criteria are you using? His second form is huge and muscled. His third looks very alien. Even in the last form he has a masculine form, though lean. And then he pumps up like a body builder on steroids. What part screamed woman to you. People really do like to neglect how much of this Freeza as a chick interpretation comes from the vocal performances and maybe some script choices. I've never seen this gender confusion about the character in sub circles.

The first time I ever saw Frie­za was in a magazine months before I saw the dub of that saga and I thought it was a girl until the article kept referring to him as "he" and "him."

Believe what you want to, but it's completely reasonable to believe in my mind that if they replaced the whole cast it would bomb in North America.

First off, Penguintruth's got a point, it didn't bomb after FUNi replaced the Ocean cast. So it'd still sell.
And Second, as much as some people want a Full recast, I don't think anybody is entertaining the notion that that will ACTUALLY Happen. Because it wont.

The reasonable people who realize how this works just want a few of the most mis-casted roles to be replaced. Like Freeza.

Are all the people citing the Ocean Cast change as a reason why dub fans wouldn't be put off completely ignoring the past 10 years just for the sake of their argument?

And see, this is one of the things I've spent the last several years trying to get across to people: You're not watching the original, you're watching the dub. They didn't say that in the original? So what. They didn't sound like that in the original? So what. It's not a big deal. I've dealt with it in other shows, myself. You hear and like the JP version a lot and that comes to be the version you expect... even when it's not what you're watching. I'm not saying that dubbers shouldn't take effort to be faithful to the original, I'm just saying that if you're watching a dub then don't expect the JP version of the show.

THIS.

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It's just because his race is "feminine-like". King Cold is voiced by Brad Jackson and Coola is voiced by Andy Chandler.

In spite of this, Freeza's seiyuu, Ryusei Nakao has his masculine voice.

[KaiserNeko]

I honestly never get tired of posting this...

Son Family:
Young Goku - Brina Palencia
Older Goku - Todd Haberkorn
Young Gohan - Brina Palencia/Maxey Whitehead
Older Gohan - Micah Solusod
Young Goten - Brina Palencia/Cherami Leigh
Chi-Chi - Monica Rial

Humans:
Bulma - Laura Bailey/Colleen Clinkenbeard
Tenshinhan - John Burgmeir
Yamcha - Jerry Jewel
Chaotzu - Monika Antonelli
Young Krillin - Cynthia Cranz/Laurie Steele
Krillin - Chris Cason/Greg Ayres

Otherworld:
King Kai - Brice Armstrong

Saiyans:
Vegeta - John Gremillion/Travis Willingham/J. Michael Tatum/Troy Baker/Chris Patton
Nappa - George Manley
Raditz - Patrick Seitz

Piccolo - Travis Willingham/John Gremillion/Chris Sabat (With a new voice)

Freeza and his gang:
Freeza - Vic Mignogna/J.Michael Tatum/Chuck Huber
Zarbon - Eric Vale
Dadoria - Chris Forbis

Ginyu Force:
Ginyu - Troy Baker/Sean Hennigen
Recoome - Bryan Massey
Jeice - Chris Patton
Burter - Vic Migogna/Sonny Strait
Guldo - Bill Townsley

Cell Arc:
Trunks - Jason Leibrecht
Android 16 - Rob Mungle
Android 17 - Robert McCollum
Android 18 - Trina Nishimura
Cell - Travis Willingham/Bob Carter/J. Michael Tatum/Troy Baker

But yeah, Freeza needs to sounds like a man. In fact, Mike's take on Freeza and Christoph 'The Jew Hunter' Waltz is quite appropriate, to me!

[ShadowDude112]

I said this before and I'll say it again. Patrick Warburton as Nappa.

[Hujio]

I said this before and I'll say it again. Patrick Warburton as Nappa.

YES!! I'd love to see it, or rather, hear it.

[SilverPlaqueVII]

I said this before and I'll say it again. Patrick Warburton as Nappa.

YES!! I'd love to see it, or rather, hear it.

Who is he? Isn't he that new guy? Familiar I see.

[B]

I said this before and I'll say it again. Patrick Warburton as Nappa.

YES!! I'd love to see it, or rather, hear it.

Who is he? Isn't he that new guy? Familiar I see.

Uhm... Patrick Warburton is a voice actor who isn't associated with DBZ, unfortunately. Joe, the guy in the wheelchair, from Family Guy. And lots of other stuff.

[MajinVejitaXV]

Who is he? Isn't he that new guy? Familiar I see.

Uhm... Patrick Warburton is a voice actor who isn't associated with DBZ, unfortunately. Joe, the guy in the wheelchair, from Family Guy. And lots of other stuff.

He also played Puddy on Seinfeld. And the live-action Tick. And...

[Hujio]

Who is he? Isn't he that new guy? Familiar I see.

Uhm... Patrick Warburton is a voice actor who isn't associated with DBZ, unfortunately. Joe, the guy in the wheelchair, from Family Guy. And lots of other stuff.

He also played Puddy on Seinfeld. And the live-action Tick. And...

He also voices Brock Samson on The Venture Bros., and plays the role of Jeff on the TV series Rules of Engagement. He's my hero!

[ohaimynameiserik]

lol I can hear Patrick now:

"Tell us where the dragon balls are or, uhh... we'll hafta kill you."

[Kendamu]

He also voices Brock Samson on The Venture Bros., and plays the role of Jeff on the TV series Rules of Engagement. He's my hero!

Vegeta: "Nappa, why did you paint Icarus on our space pods?"
Nappa: "What? You don't like Zep?"

[DemonRin]

Now... I wana get voice clips from Venture Bros and throw them into Clips of Nappa... thanks... wait, is there ever a part during Nappa's rampage in the city where a car or truck hits him? I can't remember if there's some filler where that happens.
If so...

*Truck hits Nappa*
Nappa: ....
Vegeta: What is it Nappa?
Nappa: They hit me... with a truck...

Oh god I could have some fun with this...

And see, this is one of the things I've spent the last several years trying to get across to people: You're not watching the original, you're watching the dub. They didn't say that in the original? So what. They didn't sound like that in the original? So what. It's not a big deal. I've dealt with it in other shows, myself. You hear and like the JP version a lot and that comes to be the version you expect... even when it's not what you're watching. I'm not saying that dubbers shouldn't take effort to be faithful to the original, I'm just saying that if you're watching a dub then don't expect the JP version of the show.

THIS.

THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS THIS (Kaioken x20)

But... weren't you dubbies complaining a while back that we consider the dub a different show?... I mean, isn't that what he's saying?... you agree that it's not the same show? Because it kinda isn't...

[Onikage725]

Are all the people citing the Ocean Cast change as a reason why dub fans wouldn't be put off completely ignoring the past 10 years just for the sake of their argument?

Not that I'm taking a stand for either dub, but can I point out that this is a one-sided view? The average viewer is going to be ok, because only the freaks like us (i.e hardcore, obsessed, etc) have been bombarded by any particular version consistently for those years. Speaking just of the original run, the in-house FUNi version ran for, like, 3 and a half yrs. There was syndication, but there also was of the Ocean-voiced dub (during the hiatus, and any time they looped the story on CN back to the beginning). If you happen to live in an english-speaking country outside of the US, you likely actually got a version of the show with the original dub voices (starting with the Garlic Jr. Saga, and airing in Canada, the UK, and Ireland I believe). To these folks, the FUNi voices were this brief changeover during the second half of the Freeza arc. They only had to put up with a major cast change when the show finished its run and they had to turn to DVDs, in which the in-house FUNi dub was present. So, non US and Australian dub fans had the same cast (more or less, and not counting S3) for around 7 years. They survived a major cast shift with the DVDs just fine.

But... weren't you dubbies complaining a while back that we consider the dub a different show?... I mean, isn't that what he's saying?... you agree that it's not the same show? Because it kinda isn't...

I was wondering this myself. I don't know if it was you guys in particular, but there is a conflicting tone I'm picking up from the dub crowd. In previous debates, it seems like we're basically told that the show's are similar enough/the same thing, and that we blow things out of proportion. In this debate, it seems like we're being told to accept that the shows are different, and hell what would we care what they do with a new dub anyway?

[Xyex]

Uhm... Patrick Warburton is a voice actor who isn't associated with DBZ, unfortunately. Joe, the guy in the wheelchair, from Family Guy. And lots of other stuff.

Buzz Lightyear~

Nappa: *starts fighting Piccolo and the others* "I'm going to send you to infinity, and beyond!"
Vegeta: "Nappa?"
Nappa: "Yes?"
Vegeta: "Shut up."

I was wondering this myself. I don't know if it was you guys in particular, but there is a conflicting tone I'm picking up from the dub crowd. In previous debates, it seems like we're basically told that the show's are similar enough/the same thing, and that we blow things out of proportion. In this debate, it seems like we're being told to accept that the shows are different, and hell what would we care what they do with a new dub anyway?

A little of both, I would say. Yes, there's differences, but it's not like they turned Dragonball into Eva or Sailor Moon or anything. Despite the changes it is still Dragonball.

[DemonRin]

Uhm... Patrick Warburton is a voice actor who isn't associated with DBZ, unfortunately. Joe, the guy in the wheelchair, from Family Guy. And lots of other stuff.

Buzz Lightyear~

Nappa: *starts fighting Piccolo and the others* "I'm going to send you to infinity, and beyond!"
Vegeta: "Nappa?"
Nappa: "Yes?"
Vegeta: "Shut up."

That's Tim... Allen...

[Onikage725]

No no, he voiced Buzz in the TV series.

[DemonRin]

No no, he voiced Buzz in the TV series.

Oh wow Really? Did NOT Know that! You learn something new every day...

[Xyex]

No no, he voiced Buzz in the TV series.

Oh wow Really? Did NOT Know that! You learn something new every day...

Yeah, I actually remember the series voice better than the movie voice, and every time I watch the movie it takes me a little while to re-adjust to Tim Allen doing him. XD I prefer Warburton's Buzz, too. Maybe it's because I heard it so much in the cartoon but it just feels so much more fitting.

[jjgp1112]

I'm mainly defending the general thesis of Xyex's post. I don't think they're different shows. However the US Dub, just like every other DBZ dub, are different versions of the show (note: I said versions, not different show altogether) and why I should care about whatever differences from the Japanese version are in the dub completely escape me. Like, when I first started reading this site in 2004 and saw complaints about the dub being different I just thought, "And...?" It just seems trivial to me.

[penguintruth]

jjgp1112, you seem to think that the difference between the English dub and the Japanese version of DBZ is the same as any dub of an anime and its Japanese counterpart. It's not. There's a gulf of difference at times, and it's irrelevant how iconic an approach to a show is if it doesn't meet the standards of the rest of the dubs on the market.

Anime fans have higher standards for dubs now than they did in the past.

[B]

I'm mainly defending the general thesis of Xyex's post. I don't think they're different shows. However the US Dub, just like every other DBZ dub, are different versions of the show (note: I said versions, not different show altogether) and why I should care about whatever differences from the Japanese version are in the dub completely escape me. Like, when I first started reading this site in 2004 and saw complaints about the dub being different I just thought, "And...?" It just seems trivial to me.

This is all really just opinion. Didn't you also recommend that FUNi change the Ginyu Force's theme to something "Power Rangery" a while back? If all you care about is watching the show in English, and the cast can spout off whatever comes to mind and it won't bother your enjoyment of the show, do you really think it's so unreasonable that the people who DO care get something half-way satisfactory?