Kai Episode 61 (13 June 2010)

[SSJSteve]

Seems just about equal to the shot in Kai to me.

Yeah, same here. There's hardly a difference.

[MR.Mark]

It severely irks me when people constantly point out "flaws" in Kai's reanimated scenes that were there in Z's original animation and then act as though Kai created said "flaw".

But see, DBZ came out first, and therefore is better in every way by default. Didn't you get the memo?

[Metalwario64]

It severely irks me when people constantly point out "flaws" in Kai's reanimated scenes that were there in Z's original animation and then act as though Kai created said "flaw".

But see, DBZ come out first, and therefore is better in every way by default. Didn't you get the memo?

It's just like with FUNimation's "remastering". Sure it was terrible (until Season Six where, besides the cropping it became acceptable), but people were always pointing out scenes from the original that had errors such as terrible drawings and mis-colored armor/clothes, and treating them as "flaws" with the "remastering".

I have no idea how they came to those conclusions, as it would be impossible for an automated DVNR process to redraw entire frames in a different style, and recolor entire portions of people's armor. FUNimation would have to do something like that frame-by-frame...

[Hujio]

It's just like with FUNimation's "remastering". Sure it was terrible (until Season Six where, besides the cropping it became acceptable), but people were always pointing out scenes from the original that had errors such as terrible drawings and mis-colored armor/clothes, and treating them as "flaws" with the "remastering".

Wow, I must have missed all that, thankfully. I guess I did sort of ignore anything that had to do with FUNimation's "remastered" season sets.

Anyway, here's the comparison I have for Vegeta's eyes. You'll note that there's a slight difference between the two in how far down the shadow extends. But overall, it's essentially the same. I'll let you guys debate over it.



I will say, it does bug me that you can tell that Vegeta is placed in front of the aura in Kai, whereas in Z the aura is on top of him, making it look like the aura is engulfing him instead of him just standing on it. It's much easier to tell in motion, but it still bugs me.

[MR.Mark]

Ah yes, now I see, some of the transparency effect is lost but other than that it's ok.

[Blue]

It severely irks me when people constantly point out "flaws" in Kai's reanimated scenes that were there in Z's original animation and then act as though Kai created said "flaw".

But see, DBZ come out first, and therefore is better in every way by default. Didn't you get the memo?

This is kind of a theme here...in a lot of fandoms really.

[Tsukento]

Ah yes, now I see, some of the transparency effect is lost

That's something I've noticed. It seems like the Ki flaring around Vegeta is actually behind him, rather than surrounding him.

[RazorX]

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of Kai then?

No. The purpose of Kai is to entertain, as well as draw a new generation of fans to the Dragon Ball series. Too many cuts in Kai make the series a bit too sloppy. They didn't give enough character development time to Gohan in the early Saiyan episodes, for example.

Plus, the more episodes there are, the more scope there is for new music to be created as well as more episodes to look forward to. Some of the new musical pieces are incredible.

Some of the filler is really entertaining, such as Goku & Piccolo's driving lessons and some of the filler is as good as (and better than some) canon material, such as the Other World Tournament after the Cell Games, I really hope they keep the Other world tournament in Kai.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

Kai is follow closely to the Manga! so no filler arc

[MR.Mark]

I miss the filler

Well then you might as well be watching Z, that's the point. Kai is trying to be closer to the manga.

[ThunderPX]

The point I was trying to make (I don't know about other people) is that some scenes in Kai are reanimated, but it seems pointless because they don't fix the flaws that were in Z. What's the point of retracing shots, making them look inferior and out-of-place anyway, if you're not even going to use the opportunity to fix things like Piccolo's awkwardly shaped head in this episode, or Krillin temporarily reverting to his Kame gi in the Freeza fight?

[MR.Mark]

They have been fixing certain flaws though, like Zarbon's damaged armor and what not.


After viewing the Blu ray, I think the redone stuff is partly done so the show can stand out more in HD. There are some mediocre redone shots, for sure, partly due to the original animation itself being mediocre. But there are also some that look nice in HD, again, partly due to the original "good animation days" shots being traced over.

[MR.Mark]

Anyway, here's the comparison I have for Vegeta's eyes. You'll note that there's a slight difference between the two in how far down the shadow extends. But overall, it's essentially the same. I'll let you guys debate over it.



I will say, it does bug me that you can tell that Vegeta is placed in front of the aura in Kai, whereas in Z the aura is on top of him, making it look like the aura is engulfing him instead of him just standing on it. It's much easier to tell in motion, but it still bugs me.

Ironically I was just going through animation comparisons on kanzentai:





In the original animation, Goku has that "on top of the aura" look , where the Kai version appears to be engulfing him. So in the end, I feel Z and Kai both have ups and downs, with no real advantage over the other in terms of animation. At times Kai looks better, at times Z, Pick your poison I suppose.

[Puto]

Huh, it looks like they went ahead and extended those SSJ Gokû shots for widescreen. I guess it didn't work very well when cropped. Neat.

[MetalMadness]

Huh, it looks like they went ahead and extended those SSJ Gokû shots for widescreen. I guess it didn't work very well when cropped. Neat.

Makes you wonder why they didn't just extend the entire series to widescreen instead of cropping it.

[MR.Mark]

makes you wonder why they didn't just extend the entire series to widescreen instead of cropping it

Because if they did that, they'd have to redraw the whole show.

[Hujio]

Makes you wonder why they didn't just extend the entire series to widescreen instead of cropping it

Because if they did that, they'd have to redraw the whole show.

Yeah, and who would want that?! *this guy*

[MR.Mark]

Indeed, the original DBZ animation is inconsistent enough as it is, we don't need more uneven efforts. Ofcourse, if we're talking redraw, as in not retracing the old animation, then I'd be interested.

Though I personally find the new intro animation style for Kai a bit overrated. If they re-did Kai with the style of "Yo, Son Goku and friends return", I'd love it.

[jjgp1112]

I'd prefer if they just reanimated the show entirely with new art, new animation, etc. But alas, that'd be way too much work.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

Well, who's not prefer that?