My opinion of Pre-Z Dragon Ball? Let us find out, now!!
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My opinion of Pre-Z Dragon Ball? Let us find out, now!!
Yes, I'm going to finally be watching almost all of Dragon Ball, and what's more, I'm going to be doing it subbed! This is partially because I want this to be a pure, complete experience of what the Japanese version was like (which I only got with Dragon Ball Z), partially so that I can be totally sure that I have a complete understanding of what I'm talking about when I debate on this forum, partially out of curiosity, and partially to see if I like Shunsuke Kikuchi any better here.
Of course, I will note though that I'm skipping the "Emperor" Pilaf saga, because frankly, I don't exactly need bare breasts, wangs, and butts in my Dragon Ball experience ...
So, what will the outcome of this foray be? Find out, on "Let's Watch Dragonball"!! I'll be sure to update this, periodically!
Of course, I will note though that I'm skipping the "Emperor" Pilaf saga, because frankly, I don't exactly need bare breasts, wangs, and butts in my Dragon Ball experience ...
So, what will the outcome of this foray be? Find out, on "Let's Watch Dragonball"!! I'll be sure to update this, periodically!
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
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I hope you get all the way through!Fionordequester wrote:Yes, I'm going to finally be watching almost all of Dragon Ball, and what's more, I'm going to be doing it subbed! This is partially because I want this to be a pure, complete experience of what the Japanese version was like (which I only got with Dragon Ball Z), partially so that I can be totally sure that I have a complete understanding of what I'm talking about when I debate on this forum, partially out of curiosity, and partially to see if I like Shunsuke Kikuchi any better here.
Of course, I will note though that I'm skipping the "Emperor" Pilaf saga, because frankly, I don't exactly need bare breasts, wangs, and butts in my Dragon Ball experience ...
So, what will the outcome of this foray be? Find out, on "Let's Watch Dragonball"!! I'll be sure to update this, periodically!
And, I think a lot of people are about to try to convince you to watch the first story arc.
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So you want your Dragon Ball experience to be "pure" and "complete", but not too pure or too complete.Fionordequester wrote:Of course, I will note though that I'm skipping the "Emperor" Pilaf saga, because frankly, I don't exactly need bare breasts, wangs, and butts in my Dragon Ball experience ...
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Exactly! Besides, the first arc is pretty different from the rest, isn't it?
EDIT: Besides, I know for a fact that I read the manga of that section. I still have hilarious memories of Bulma talking about "Grope-gropes" and "Suck-sucks" with Pilaf, and some...not so hilarious memories of getting blindsided by naked Bulma. Not to mention Oolong lusting after Bulma. I already saw it once, I don't need to see it again.
EDIT: Besides, I know for a fact that I read the manga of that section. I still have hilarious memories of Bulma talking about "Grope-gropes" and "Suck-sucks" with Pilaf, and some...not so hilarious memories of getting blindsided by naked Bulma. Not to mention Oolong lusting after Bulma. I already saw it once, I don't need to see it again.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
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Yes, but I'd think that would be a reason to watch it, rather than skip it. That way you can see the rest of the series in the context of where it all began. Skipping the Garlic Junior arc or something on a run-through of DBZ is one thing, but this is the actual start of the series. It's rather important in understanding the rest of the series. And I think it's a pretty good story arc, simply in its own right.Fionordequester wrote:Besides, the first arc is pretty different from the rest, isn't it?
Obviously you're free to watch or not watch whatever you want. But since you're planning on making this into a series of posts recording your thoughts on the series, it seems a shame. I mean, what's the point of going through the series to see if you like it or not if you're just going to skip stuff you think you "don't need"?
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Not exactly. The tone becomes less comedic and more action-oriented as it goes along, but it's a very gradual shift. The second arc follows right along the tone of the first arc, and the third follows it. And I hate to break it to you, but Goku's penis, Blooma's breasts and panties, and Muten Roshi's attempts to seek out the latter two continue to make stand-out appearances for over half of the "non-Z" portion of the series.Fionordequester wrote:Exactly! Besides, the first arc is pretty different from the rest, isn't it?
But all that aside, I hope you have fun and can't wait to keep up with your impressions. I generally find the earlier stuff to be even more fun and interesting than the later "Z" stuff.
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Alright then, I'll just check out a censorship list or something and deal with that as we go along. And thanks a ton!
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
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There's more to that first arc than just breasts, butts, and Goku's penis. There's fun action and lots of great humor.
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I've always considered the Pilaf arc the best series in the manga because of its unique set of characters with their own skillsets in lots of fun scenarios. I would recommend watching it for sure.
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So, "Goku's Rival" has been watched. What do I think of it? Well, first of all, Goku is absolutely ADORABLE, the episode did a great job of introducing Krillin, and I actually kind of like the music here. I especially like the opening theme better than the Z theme. It's packed with adrenaline, and just pure fun to listen to. So that was cool, I was loving that...
Then Master Roshi appeared. What's my opinion on him? Well, let me tell you a story, about a chiropractor that me and my Dad used to go to. Dude was around 70 years old, extremely talented, was in superb physical condition (to the point where he would literally go on 100 mile jogging marathons)...and was also extremely perverted, and unprofessional. In fact, the guy would even answer his customers while wearing what was either underwear, or shorts that looked a lot LIKE underwear. And regularly, when I wasn't around, he would make comments to my Dad that...well, I can't remember EXACTLY what they were, but they were along the lines of "hey, could you tell your wife that she has a great ***?" and "hey, you're wife's pretty hot, so if you don't start losing weight, or you're gonna lose your wife!".
Of course, my Dad still had a bit of an on-again, off-again relationship, because the dude, of course, had other redeeming qualities, like actually staying faithful to his wife, being really funny, knowing a lot about physical fitness, and of course, being superbly talented...until one day when he called me up on the phone (I believe it was either to tell my Dad about his appointment, or to get together to go rock climbing), then, before leaving specifically asked me...
"Hey, btw, could you please tell your Dad that I would rather go rock climbing with your Mom?". I even said "you sure you want me to say that?", before he was all "yeah, I insist!", or something like that. So I told Dad, and needless to say, he wasn't too interested in hanging out with him for a while. In fact, I don't know if he EVER got over it, but...
Well, point is, when you're reminding me of THAT person, with your perverted tendencies...yeah, that's not a good thing. You'd be surprised at how much charm is lost when you know someone almost exactly like Roshi in real life, you know what I mean?
I mean, jeez, thank goodness he AT LEAST thought to wear a suit. Not sure why he even bothered if he was just going to ask "Hey, Goku, can you get her panties please?", or "Hey, can I please touch your 'Pachi-Pachi's", but, at least I didn't have to see his underwear >_<!!
The worst part of it though isn't even that. The worst part is that that's what convinced Roshi to train Krillin, despite Roshi flat out stating that Krillin had impure motives! And that's not even getting into how creepy it is that Krillin, being presumably 12 years old, is going around getting bagfuls of porn mags to bribe a perverted old man into training him...
So...yeah, that went downhill fast. Still, other than that, I had a ton of fun!
Then Master Roshi appeared. What's my opinion on him? Well, let me tell you a story, about a chiropractor that me and my Dad used to go to. Dude was around 70 years old, extremely talented, was in superb physical condition (to the point where he would literally go on 100 mile jogging marathons)...and was also extremely perverted, and unprofessional. In fact, the guy would even answer his customers while wearing what was either underwear, or shorts that looked a lot LIKE underwear. And regularly, when I wasn't around, he would make comments to my Dad that...well, I can't remember EXACTLY what they were, but they were along the lines of "hey, could you tell your wife that she has a great ***?" and "hey, you're wife's pretty hot, so if you don't start losing weight, or you're gonna lose your wife!".
Of course, my Dad still had a bit of an on-again, off-again relationship, because the dude, of course, had other redeeming qualities, like actually staying faithful to his wife, being really funny, knowing a lot about physical fitness, and of course, being superbly talented...until one day when he called me up on the phone (I believe it was either to tell my Dad about his appointment, or to get together to go rock climbing), then, before leaving specifically asked me...
"Hey, btw, could you please tell your Dad that I would rather go rock climbing with your Mom?". I even said "you sure you want me to say that?", before he was all "yeah, I insist!", or something like that. So I told Dad, and needless to say, he wasn't too interested in hanging out with him for a while. In fact, I don't know if he EVER got over it, but...
Well, point is, when you're reminding me of THAT person, with your perverted tendencies...yeah, that's not a good thing. You'd be surprised at how much charm is lost when you know someone almost exactly like Roshi in real life, you know what I mean?
I mean, jeez, thank goodness he AT LEAST thought to wear a suit. Not sure why he even bothered if he was just going to ask "Hey, Goku, can you get her panties please?", or "Hey, can I please touch your 'Pachi-Pachi's", but, at least I didn't have to see his underwear >_<!!
The worst part of it though isn't even that. The worst part is that that's what convinced Roshi to train Krillin, despite Roshi flat out stating that Krillin had impure motives! And that's not even getting into how creepy it is that Krillin, being presumably 12 years old, is going around getting bagfuls of porn mags to bribe a perverted old man into training him...
So...yeah, that went downhill fast. Still, other than that, I had a ton of fun!
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
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I take it sexual humor is a no, no for you?
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So are you completely in the dark about everything outside of the first arc, pre-Z? Because if such humor really squicks you out that much, you're probably going to have problems. Hell, even all the way in the Piccolo arc there's a Blooma/Kame panties gag.
Interesting story about your chiropractor, though.
Interesting story about your chiropractor, though.
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Nah, I'm not. I just don't have a consistent experience. I read the manga for some of the stuff, watched the anime for some other stuff, and never watched the Red Ribbon arc in either medium. I heard of some stuff in the podcast, like Master Roshi hiding under the toilet, and Ranfan stripping to beat Namu, but, it's my impression that it starts to shift away from that stuff, so, as long as I have my censorship guide, I'm all good!
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Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
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Does that stuff bother you?
What's the censorship guide for?
What's the censorship guide for?
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Fionordequester is very put off by "inappropriate" sexual content. Always has been. So I would assume the censorship guide would allow him to skip the offending segments.
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I wouldn't say "skip". More like "look the other way". If there are some funny jokes, I still want to hear it.
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
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And the anti-Roshi sentiment from those old topics takes a personal turn. Yikes.
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This comment actually really made me pause and think. I love characters that are fucked up. My favorite shows currently on television are The Venture Brothers, Archer,Chozen and Rick and Morty all featuring terrible human beings. The fact that a lot of the main heroes of this story aren't in fact your prototypical heroes but just completely messed up dudes that happen to be gifted with super strength was my main draw to Dragon Ball as a kid and why I'm not such a huge fan of Z.Fionordequester wrote: Well, point is, when you're reminding me of THAT person, with your perverted tendencies...yeah, that's not a good thing. You'd be surprised at how much charm is lost when you know someone almost exactly like Roshi in real life, you know what I mean?
I feel like the appeal of a lot of the fucked up characters I like is that they're the bad traits we exhibit from time to time incarnate. I never saw Roshi as a broken pervert that's supposed to mirror real life sex offenders, he's just that gross lust that we ignore sometimes given shape. Kuririn isn't supposed to be a real life narcissistic dick hole but he is that insecurity we mask with false confidence...so on and so fourth.
Another thing I think Toriyama does right is none of these characters are really rewarded for being gross. It's true they get their wins sometimes but they're usually shot down pretty quick in one way or another. Allen Greggory is one show that consisted of nothing but awful, awful, awful people and nobody can stand that show because nobody ever gets their karmic retribution. The characters just revel in being pieces of shit and then the show ends. It was total unwatchable garbage.
Anyway I didn't write this to sway your opinion or anything, just my take on things. I know you're pretty hardcore into black is black and white is white kinda stuff and that's cool if that's what you dig. I hope you have a fun time watching the show.
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Well, onto "Look out for Launch"! One thing I feel I ought to explain before we really dive into this one...Akumaito is right, in more ways than one. I actually have OCD/Asberger's, so, he's right to say that I see things much more in point of fact. I don't seem to have it particularly bad, at least, in some cases, but if you see me taking things overly literally, or not quite "getting it" if you will, that's a likely explanation. Not to say that I'm an android or anything, in fact, I'm quite filled to the brim with emotion! It just...comes off in unusual ways sometimes.
So, with that said, I didn't think this episode wasn't quite as good as the last one. I mean, I LOVED this exchange between Goku and Krillin...
Wow, you can tell boys from girls just by looking? Awesome!
....Uh...yeah. You're kidding right? You can't tell?
Well sure I can, as long as I feel for their winkie!!
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I'm telling you right now, I'm a guy. Got that?
But other than that...this didn't quite do it for me, mainly because I felt like the progression of things was kind of...forced, for lack of a better word. I mean, Krillin and Goku see a woman being arrested by the police, assume that she's innocent for whatever reason...then the cops, for whatever reason, point their guns at the kids (which is a huge no-no if you know anything about using firearms) saying that they'll arrest them. Then Krillin chickens out, despite it later being shown that he can survive multiple gunshot wounds from Launch, Launch lives in fear of her other self, then of course, Launch spends the whole bar room fight making a point NOT to kill people...only to then turnaround and try to kill the gang, and presumably the cops. Of course, that last one is filler only it seems, but still.
Yeah, I know this probably isn't an episode where I'm supposed to think too hard about this stuff...but unfortunately, I have the SpoonyOne problem of almost never being able to turn my brain off. Even watching Avatar: The Last Airbender, I think "Ok, Sokka has to know that he's outmatched by all the benders...so why doesn't he ever get some armor from King Bumi, and line himself up with swords and stuff, instead of that stupid boomerang?". Even watching Pinnochio, I wonder "what the heck is wrong with pool? And why is Jiminy blaming Pinnochio for going to pleasure island, despite John and his goon literally picking Pinnochio up by the arms and dragging him away when he tried to walk off"?
Generally, as long as a show doesn't go too far with those sorts of breaks from reality, however, I'm generally ok. At most, I'll just sort of riff on the show while still enjoying it immensely, like with Gunsmoke. But when a whole episode is structured around that sort of logic...well, then it sort of loses me. It's the same reason why I didn't last too long past the Arlong saga in One Piece, even with the FUNI dub...
It's my own personal weakness, I guess, but it's something that hangs around nonetheless. So when I say that I didn't enjoy this episode as much, I dunno whether that's cuz of the writing, or me just thinking about things way too hard.
Oh well, at least there was less perverted Roshi! And when it was there, it manifested itself in a more...clever way, I guess? Something about the sheer absurdity of Roshi going out of his way to set up not just ONE bunny costume, but three other ones (with two being SPECIFICALLY MADE for Krillin and Goku... ), then somehow convincing them all to put it on...that certainly got a chuckle out of me. I mean, not at first, but looking back on it...yeah, that WAS pretty funny, wasn't it?
EDIT: One more thing about the episode, and some of my half-remembered recollections. I remember really liking Goku and Krillin's interactions with each other, so that's one thing I'm looking forward to.
EDIT2: I guess, to add an addendum, this nitpicky-ness of mine doesn't apply to the visuals most of the time. I mean, I know Yugi growing a whole foot in Yu-Gi-Oh isn't meant to be taken literally, and is just there to signify a swap in bodies. I suspect that that's the same story with Launch (though maybe not). I mean, I'll still riff on it if it looks silly, but I won't mean anything by it. I just love telling jokes !!
So, with that said, I didn't think this episode wasn't quite as good as the last one. I mean, I LOVED this exchange between Goku and Krillin...
Wow, you can tell boys from girls just by looking? Awesome!
....Uh...yeah. You're kidding right? You can't tell?
Well sure I can, as long as I feel for their winkie!!
....
...
I'm telling you right now, I'm a guy. Got that?
But other than that...this didn't quite do it for me, mainly because I felt like the progression of things was kind of...forced, for lack of a better word. I mean, Krillin and Goku see a woman being arrested by the police, assume that she's innocent for whatever reason...then the cops, for whatever reason, point their guns at the kids (which is a huge no-no if you know anything about using firearms) saying that they'll arrest them. Then Krillin chickens out, despite it later being shown that he can survive multiple gunshot wounds from Launch, Launch lives in fear of her other self, then of course, Launch spends the whole bar room fight making a point NOT to kill people...only to then turnaround and try to kill the gang, and presumably the cops. Of course, that last one is filler only it seems, but still.
Yeah, I know this probably isn't an episode where I'm supposed to think too hard about this stuff...but unfortunately, I have the SpoonyOne problem of almost never being able to turn my brain off. Even watching Avatar: The Last Airbender, I think "Ok, Sokka has to know that he's outmatched by all the benders...so why doesn't he ever get some armor from King Bumi, and line himself up with swords and stuff, instead of that stupid boomerang?". Even watching Pinnochio, I wonder "what the heck is wrong with pool? And why is Jiminy blaming Pinnochio for going to pleasure island, despite John and his goon literally picking Pinnochio up by the arms and dragging him away when he tried to walk off"?
Generally, as long as a show doesn't go too far with those sorts of breaks from reality, however, I'm generally ok. At most, I'll just sort of riff on the show while still enjoying it immensely, like with Gunsmoke. But when a whole episode is structured around that sort of logic...well, then it sort of loses me. It's the same reason why I didn't last too long past the Arlong saga in One Piece, even with the FUNI dub...
It's my own personal weakness, I guess, but it's something that hangs around nonetheless. So when I say that I didn't enjoy this episode as much, I dunno whether that's cuz of the writing, or me just thinking about things way too hard.
Oh well, at least there was less perverted Roshi! And when it was there, it manifested itself in a more...clever way, I guess? Something about the sheer absurdity of Roshi going out of his way to set up not just ONE bunny costume, but three other ones (with two being SPECIFICALLY MADE for Krillin and Goku... ), then somehow convincing them all to put it on...that certainly got a chuckle out of me. I mean, not at first, but looking back on it...yeah, that WAS pretty funny, wasn't it?
EDIT: One more thing about the episode, and some of my half-remembered recollections. I remember really liking Goku and Krillin's interactions with each other, so that's one thing I'm looking forward to.
EDIT2: I guess, to add an addendum, this nitpicky-ness of mine doesn't apply to the visuals most of the time. I mean, I know Yugi growing a whole foot in Yu-Gi-Oh isn't meant to be taken literally, and is just there to signify a swap in bodies. I suspect that that's the same story with Launch (though maybe not). I mean, I'll still riff on it if it looks silly, but I won't mean anything by it. I just love telling jokes !!
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
Re: My opinion of Pre-Z Dragon Ball? Let us find out, now!!
Pre-Z Dragonball is awesome and an all around joy to watch. The only time it really dragged for me was the early RRA Saga. Apart from that the action and story are great and Kikuchi's music was awesome. And I'd highly recommend not skipping the Pilaf saga. It has some really funny stuff and you'd be missing out on watching the characters meet and establish their relationships for the first time. I always get a good feeling from watching Pre-Z Dragonball from start to finish. Also Pilaf and his gang are funny to watch and are also recurring villains throughout the series so you should definitely see his first encounter with Goku and the gang.