No insert songs on DBZ dub with Japanese music

JEFFMAN219 · Post by **JEFFMAN219** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:11 pm

How come funimation removed some of the insert songs from the dub with the original Japanese music on the season sets and the Dragon Boxes?

SupremeSSJ · Post by **SupremeSSJ** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:17 pm

it might have to do with the rights to have them or I might b mistaken.
its a few I know SSj2 Gohan insert song was removed and the insert when King Kai talks to Goku about the Saiyans.

Valerius Dover · Post by **Valerius Dover** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:20 pm

Dragon Ball has this problem, too. I'm not familiar with the original Dragon Ball Z, but I have looked at the Insert Song Guide on the site. I heard Battle Point Unlimited was kept, but that one's instrumental. Were all the others ones removed?

JEFFMAN219 · Post by **JEFFMAN219** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:22 pm

Valerius Dover wrote:Dragon Ball has this problem, too. I'm not familiar with the original Dragon Ball Z, but I have looked at the Insert Song Guide on the site. I heard Battle Point Unlimited was kept, but that one's instrumental. Were all the others ones removed?

The insert songs that had singing was removed and I want to know why that occurred.

jpdbzrulz4sure · Post by **jpdbzrulz4sure** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:25 pm

There was another thread about missing insert songs awhile back, in which MagicBox provided what I believe to be the best, most likely explaination.

MagicBox wrote:The general consensus is that certain insert songs just weren't included on the music-&-effects tracks that FUNimation received from Toei. FUNi can't work with what they aren't given. We've discussed this before on the forum, so I did a random search and found one of my old posts. To copy/paste...

Kept In The Dub:
- The "Mezase Tenkaichi" instrumental in episode 19
- "With A Burning Heart ~Defeat The Red Ribbon Army~" in episode 65.
- "The Dragon Ball Legend" in episode 76.
- "Blue Travelers" in episode 78.
- "Mezase Tenkaichi" in episode 86.

Removed From The Dub:
- "Mezase Tenkaichi" in episode 28.
- "A Mysterious Wonderland" in episode 29.
- "The Dragon Ball Legend" in episodes 30, 33, & 35.
- "The Son Gokū Song" in episode 43.
- "The Red Ribbon Army" in episode 48.
- "Wolf Hurricane" in episode 87.
- "Mezase Tenkaichi" in episode 95.
- "The Teachings Of Muten Rōshi" in episode 130.

"Battle-Colored Warriors," "MIND POWER ...Ki...," and "The Day Of Destiny ~Spirit VS Spirit~" aren't on FUNi's music-&-effects tracks for DBZ either. But the instrumental insert songs ("BP∞ Battle Point • Unlimited" and "Solid State • Scouter") were included. Luckily, the insert song versions of "Don't You See!" and "DAN DAN" were included in their respective episodes of FUNi's dub of GT.

Certain pieces of Shunsuke Kikuchi's background music are excluded from FUNi's dub of DBZ as well, most notably the choir chants during Piccolo's sacrifice against Nappa. Their "uncut" redubs of DBZ movies 02 and 03 each lost a 20-30 second piece of Kikuchi music, if I remember correctly. It's not certain if the latter example is due to an error in Toei's music-& effects tracks or just due to an oversight when FUNi was mixing the audio.

As for why FUNi didn't write/record English versions of the insert songs... your guess is as good as mine. I don't think anyone ever reached out to them about this.

As for your questions about the Japanese track, I highly doubt there are rights issues, so there would be no need to remove the songs. Even if they wanted to edit the songs out of the Japanese track, they wouldn't be able to. Toei doesn't have the source audio for the episodes anymore, and you can't remove separate pieces of a mono track (voices/music/sounds) because everything's already mixed together. You'd have to remove the entire audio.

Valerius Dover · Post by **Valerius Dover** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:38 pm

What about the one called Fly High in Episode 46? And the Movie 13 ending theme apparently pops up in Episode 289 as well.

eledoremassis02 · Post by **eledoremassis02** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:51 pm

Wait, the song when Gohan going SS2 was cut?!

jpdbzrulz4sure · Post by **jpdbzrulz4sure** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:52 pm

eledoremassis02 wrote:Wait, the song when Gohan going SS2 was cut?!

Yeah, or rather, just not included in the standalone BGM tracks the FUNi was provided, as MagicBox stated in the post that I quoted.

Also, I've heard that other dubs have missing insert songs as well.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:05 pm

From what I know, the Cantonese dub is the only dub in the world that kept Unmei no Hi completely intact.

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:43 pm

Valerius Dover wrote:What about the one called Fly High in Episode 46? And the Movie 13 ending theme apparently pops up in Episode 289 as well.

I'm not sure why I'm replying to this because I'm not 100% sure (and I can't double-check because I'm at work), but I'm almost positive that "Fly High" was removed, while the instrumental version of the movie 13 ending theme was retained. I only have the FUNiBoxes, but I'll double-check when I have access to them.

The English-with-Japanese-music track seems to have been produced as an afterthought, so FUNi likely didn't make an effort to finding where the insert songs were and re-producing them in any way.

Valerius Dover · Post by **Valerius Dover** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:55 pm

Oh, if the Movie 13 theme was instrumental it was almost certainly kept, I'd imagine. Like Solid State Scouter and Battle Point Unlimited. Apparently, Fly High is just a radio song, and that radio has TALKING in the English Version.

UltimateHammerBro · Post by **UltimateHammerBro** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:57 pm

kei17 wrote:From what I know, the Cantonese dub is the only dub in the world that kept Unmei no Hi completely intact.

Assuming that you mean leaving it in Japanese, the Valencian dub kept it too.

DB_Fan1991 · Post by **DB_Fan1991** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:54 pm

UltimateHammerBro wrote:
kei17 wrote:From what I know, the Cantonese dub is the only dub in the world that kept Unmei no Hi completely intact.
Assuming that you mean leaving it in Japanese, the Valencian dub kept it too.

Yes, but not entirely as once the narrator starts talking the song fades out. The song is instrumental in the French dub and dubbed in the Catalan dub.

TheAldella · Post by **TheAldella** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:51 pm

I'm...um...pretty sure that Wolf Hurricane is there on my Blue Bricks.

Kid Buu · Post by **Kid Buu** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:53 pm

TheAldella wrote:I'm...um...pretty sure that Wolf Hurricane is there on my Blue Bricks.

Only if play it in Japanese.

TheAldella · Post by **TheAldella** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:00 pm

Oh, I remember now! I watched my blue bricks until that point, then for that episode and onward, I watched it online. Someone re-placed the song in their encode.

Mewzard · Post by **Mewzard** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:16 pm

To be fair, Gohan talks through the whole SSJ2 scene, so it'd just be drown out anyways.

Gonstead · Post by **Gonstead** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:48 am

Mewzard wrote:To be fair, Gohan talks through the whole SSJ2 scene, so it'd just be drown out anyways.

Only the part leading up the scream. A little bit afterwards, it is the narrator than talks over.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:47 am

Mewzard wrote:To be fair, Gohan talks through the whole SSJ2 scene, so it'd just be drown out anyways.

Thinking about it...that would sound pretty bad, to be honest.

kei17 · Post by **kei17** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:43 am

UltimateHammerBro wrote:
kei17 wrote:From what I know, the Cantonese dub is the only dub in the world that kept Unmei no Hi completely intact.
Assuming that you mean leaving it in Japanese, the Valencian dub kept it too.

Of course I'm aware of that. I said "completely intact" because as DB_Fan1991 pointed out, the song fades out halfway.

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