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I mean the resemblance in design is uncanny, same little blue dwarf with elf ears. Also in the FUNI dub both Pilaf and Garlic Jr. have the same voice. Since he's also the first DBZ movie villain he came right after Dragonball ended too when Pilaf was still relevant.
Maybe Pilaf will be the one to defeat Freeza in the re-RoF. If Pilaf only trained for four months I'm sure he could turn into Golden Pilaf and rival Beerus.
I think Garlic Jr could be view as a what if character. Like what if Pilaf was a more serious villain. Also Don Brown voices both Pilaf and Garlic Jr in the Ocean dubs produced by Funimation. Shigeru Chiba also voices both characters in Japanese as well.
As far as DBZ movie 1 goes, he's basically a Piccolo/Ma Junior knock-off: the son of a demon who was sealed away centuries ago, grudge against the God of Earth, back for revenge, etc. The movie pamphlet makes this even more explicit by claiming he's not merely the son of the original Garlic, but his reincarnation as well...in some vague way that doesn't seem to make any sense (see again: Piccolo senior and junior).
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Actually after looking at them both side by side I have to say that they seem pretty different IMO. Different height, different, outfits, different head and facial structure, different skin tones. Their voices are also very different, Pilaf being high pitch and comical and Garlic being deep and menacing. The only major link is in the Funimation dub. due to Chuck Huber pretty much using the same voice.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Plot twist: Pilaf is Garlic Jr. Jr.
I'd buy that.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Herms wrote:As far as DBZ movie 1 goes, he's basically a Piccolo/Ma Junior knock-off: the son of a demon who was sealed away centuries ago, grudge against the God of Earth, back for revenge, etc. The movie pamphlet makes this even more explicit by claiming he's not merely the son of the original Garlic, but his reincarnation as well...in some vague way that doesn't seem to make any sense (see again: Piccolo senior and junior).
All my years as a fan being aware of the movies being knock offs, I've never made the Ma Jr. connection. Also, never knew of the reincarnation bit.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Though, I do think that Garlic Jr. / movie 1 would've been a great arc / story to put into the manga had Raditz not happened ... or, before Raditz. Of all the movies from Z, I always thought Toriyama did that one himself due to how good it was.
