No more word filter!

[Gyt Kaliba]

Most (if not all) of the English video game releases have also continued to use the 'Hercule' name as well, even as recently as Xenoverse, so that's kept the name prevalent to dub fans as well.

Oddly enough, based on discussions with dub only fans I've had, 'Mr. Satan' is usually the first name they do start using from the Japanese version. I'm not entirely sure if it's because it's one of the most major names that was outright changed completely rather than...'flexed'...so to speak, to where you can still kind of see where the dub name came from; or if it just sounds more 'intense' to most Western ears, due to the different charge the name Satan carries here.

[Herms]

There's also Viz's use of the name "Hercule".

[Metalwario64]

Most (if not all) of the English video game releases have also continued to use the 'Hercule' name as well, even as recently as Xenoverse, so that's kept the name prevalent to dub fans as well.

Yes, and many western fans use video game terminology above all else, for whatever reason.

It's also irritating to me, because so many people religiously use "Teen Gohan" to refer to the prepubescent Gohan of the Cell arc...

[Adamant]

Finally, I can see which infidels use the names "Pikkon", "Fasha", etc. Gokou? Hell yes.

Who or what in the absolute hell is "Fasha"?

[Kaboom]

Who or what in the absolute hell is "Fasha"?

That's the dub-name for Bardock's teammate Selypa. I would assume that back when FUNi dubbed the Bardock special they didn't have any names or good translations of stuff to go from.

[Gyt Kaliba]

It's also irritating to me, because so many people religiously use "Teen Gohan" to refer to the prepubescent Gohan of the Cell arc...

That one is particularly weird (even though I was guilty of it for a while too) since, if I'm remembering right, Gohan's not quite a teenager even if you go with his upped age from the original dub.

[Soppa Saia People]

It's also irritating to me, because so many people religiously use "Teen Gohan" to refer to the prepubescent Gohan of the Cell arc...

That one is particularly weird (even though I was guilty of it for a while too) since, if I'm remembering right, Gohan's not quite a teenager even if you go with his upped age from the original dub.

I'm almost 89% sure the dub didn't change his age. It was filler.

[Kunzait_83]

Who or what in the absolute hell is "Fasha"?

That's the dub-name for Bardock's teammate Selypa. I would assume that back when FUNi dubbed the Bardock special they didn't have any names or good translations of stuff to go from.

Bardock's teammates' Japanese names were fairly common enough fandom knowledge and plenty easy for anyone to look up since long, long many years before FUNi did the Bardock special.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Admittedly, Bardock's teammates are another set of names I sometimes have trouble remembering, but that goes for the dub versions as well, since...well, the names aren't really mentioned often enough for me to remember very well. It's more so in the Japanese version where I want to say the only name we do hear in the special itself is Toma's (who FUNi called 'Tora' for...some reason or another).

[Soppa Saia People]

Not to mention I seem to recall it being said that eventually (like once the Wiki is done), the Frieza and Tien filters are supposed to go away anyway. Or am I misremembering something here?

Probably accurate.

Is this still true ?

[precita]

This thread just reminded me of something that I've long wondered before: why the hell exactly has Hercule as a name stuck for so long among dub fans anyway? Hasn't EVERY uncut home video version of the dub just gone with Mr. Satan? Hercule as a dub name would really only qualify for actual TV airings, wouldn't it? And maybe I'm just ignorant on this cause I've never really been much of a TV watcher, but Dragon Ball Z hasn't really been much of a presence on TV since what, the mid-ish 2000s or so? Kai notwithstanding obviously.

I just figured with all the years and years and years of downtime between TV airings and tons of dub fans living off of their (presumably uncut) home video releases, that after awhile Mr. Satan might've stuck more and overwritten Hercule in the minds of most within dub circles.

His name is still Hercule even in the uncut dub, it alternates between calling him Mr. Satan and Hercule in both the Cell games and Buu arc. Sometimes you'd hear the announcer say, "Here's Hercule!" and other times, "It's Mr. Satan!"

[Dbzfan94]

Most (if not all) of the English video game releases have also continued to use the 'Hercule' name as well, even as recently as Xenoverse, so that's kept the name prevalent to dub fans as well.

Oddly enough, based on discussions with dub only fans I've had, 'Mr. Satan' is usually the first name they do start using from the Japanese version. I'm not entirely sure if it's because it's one of the most major names that was outright changed completely rather than...'flexed'...so to speak, to where you can still kind of see where the dub name came from; or if it just sounds more 'intense' to most Western ears, due to the different charge the name Satan carries here.

Well that's because, at least for me, the uncut DVDs use Mr. Satan 95% of the time. The only times they mention Hercule is in contexts like 'Hercule Satan'

[DanielSSJ]

I am of two minds about this. On one hand, I'm sorry to see it go, because I do prefer the proper spellings and seeing "Tien" or the H-word bugs the crap outta me. On the other hand, there's the whole freedom of speech aspect of the debate and I respect the right to call the characters whatever you want, as long as people know who or what you're talking about. That and it makes it easier to do dub comparisons without writting "Fr-ieza" or "T-ien". So there is that.

[Mewzard]

Yeah, the word filter bothered me the most when we were trying to have legitimate discussions about name changes like with Mr. Satan to Hercule, and we had to make silly little modifications just to have the other name for the conversation (other names had it worse, because they just corrected to a set spelling vs "The H-Word").

[Adamant]

as long as people know who or what you're talking about.

Half the reason behind the filter was so people would know what others were talking about, though. Funi dub watchers in particular have this obnoxious tendency to assume everyone are familiar with every single weird name from their dub.

[Gyt Kaliba]

as long as people know who or what you're talking about.

Half the reason behind the filter was so people would know what others were talking about, though. Funi dub watchers in particular have this obnoxious tendency to assume everyone are familiar with every single weird name from their dub.

I get that this is an issue, a particularly big one for you apparently, but it's an issue from a dub fan's POV too, or at least ones that aren't at least a little familiar with the Japanese version. That said though - is it really so hard/that big a deal to just ask if you're unsure of who they're talking about? I'm sure most would be able to answer easily enough.

That and, on a lot of them, the names are at least similar enough that I can't imagine someone on either side having a hard time making an educated guess who's being talked about - most of them, anyway. Usually the ones with their names changed to any great degree are minor character that generally aren't talked about a lot in the first place anyway.

[Adamant]

it's an issue from a dub fan's POV too, or at least ones that aren't at least a little familiar with the Japanese version.

Sure, but isn't the onus on them to learn what the actual names everyone knows are rather than force everyone else to learn the particular name changes from their particular dub because they're not going to be courteous enough to make an effort towards making their posts understandable? There's just this obnoxious air to it, you know? "I'm going to use names that don't exist outside this one random dub and pretend everyone are familiar with them, because I am."

It'd be an equally big problem for dub fans of non-English dubs too, but you never see them do it. It's only fans on one single specific dub that act this way.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Sure, but isn't the onus on them to learn what the actual names everyone knows are rather than force everyone else to learn the particular name changes from their particular dub because they're not going to be courteous enough to make an effort towards making their posts understandable? There's just this obnoxious air to it, you know? "I'm going to use names that don't exist outside this one random dub and pretend everyone are familiar with them, because I am."

It'd be an equally big problem for dub fans of non-English dubs too, but you never see them do it. It's only fans on one single specific dub that act this way.

To a degree, yes, they should become more used to at least recognizing the original names, which as I said, shouldn't be all that hard for most to figure out really - at least in terms of looking at the words and figuring it out, 'Kaio-sama' shouldn't be completely impossible for someone to look at and go 'Oh, that must be King Kai'. The same works in the opposite direction.

I'm not sure why you're so entirely convinced it's always FUNi dub fans that are the ones being obnoxious about what names they use, because I've seen just as many original version fans being just as obnoxious back. Both sides are equally at fault for being arrogant towards the other side of the debate, and when it gets really, really bad, I'm disgusted with both sides just as equally.

As for why names/terms from other versions don't come up as much, I'd wager a guess that it's because this is an English-speaking forum, based in America primarily. By that token alone, and the nature of the forum itself, there's generally going to be two versions brought up the most often - the Japanese version (as the original version, and the intended focus of the site as a whole), and the English dub by FUNimation (be it the original Ocean version or the eventual move to in-house that continues to exist today). If there were a larger presence of fans from other regions or if the forum itself was based from said other regions, I'm sure there'd be just as much conflict between names used there too.

[Adamant]

I'm not sure why you're so entirely convinced it's always FUNi dub fans that are the ones being obnoxious about what names they use, because I've seen just as many original version fans being just as obnoxious back. Both sides are equally at fault for being arrogant towards the other side of the debate, and when it gets really, really bad, I'm disgusted with both sides just as equally.

This is a franchise. There are things that have names. There's a couple dozen or so different translations out there that change these names to other names, making for a couple dozen different sets of names a group of people could potentially be familiar with, in addition to the original names. One, and only one, of these groups contain fans that insist on using those names from their private localization. One. These aren't the original names, they're not names anyone not familiar with their particular localization would be familiar with, yet they still insist on using them. Do you not see how that is arrogant and rude towards everyone else?
The fact that you say there are "two sides" here only further highlights what I'm saying - there's only one group of dub fans that act like this, while all the other sides are so courteous you don't even notice they are sides.

And defending this with "this is an American forum in America and so the American fans of the American dub can run around using the American terms from the American dub because America" doesn't really help make it sound less arrogant.

I'm also fairly sure if I were to suddenly switch over to using Danish manga terminology in my posts you'd just see it as being douchey purely for the sake of being a douche.

[jcogginsa]

as long as people know who or what you're talking about.

Half the reason behind the filter was so people would know what others were talking about, though. Funi dub watchers in particular have this obnoxious tendency to assume everyone are familiar with every single weird name from their dub.

Which is why they changed Hercule to an in-joke that only someone who already knew about the name change would actually understand

This is a franchise. There are things that have names. There's a couple dozen or so different translations out there that change these names to other names, making for a couple dozen different sets of names a group of people could potentially be familiar with, in addition to the original names. One, and only one, of these groups contain fans that insist on using those names from their private localization. One. These aren't the original names, they're not names anyone not familiar with their particular localization would be familiar with, yet they still insist on using them. Do you not see how that is arrogant and rude towards everyone else?
The fact that you say there are "two sides" here only further highlights what I'm saying - there's only one group of dub fans that act like this, while all the other sides are so courteous you don't even notice they are sides.

And defending this with "this is an American forum in America and so the American fans of the American dub can run around using the American terms from the American dub because America" doesn't really help make it sound less arrogant.

I'm also fairly sure if I were to suddenly switch over to using Danish manga terminology in my posts you'd just see it as being douchey purely for the sake of being a douche.

Bullshit. If you think only the dub fans insist people use those names, you are full of it. Especially since you are talking about a word filter that exists solely to force them to use different names. Get off your god damn high horse.