Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 95 - Official Discussion Thread

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Dragon Ball Super: Manga Chapter 95

最強の師弟
Saikyō no Shitei
The Strongest Teacher and Disciple

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Release Information:

JAPAN:
Date: July 21, 2023
Publication: V-Jump, September 2023 Issue
Cost: ¥640



(V-Jump is forward-dated two months from its actual release window. Issues are generally released on the 21st of each month, barring a Sunday or a holiday, in which case the issue gets moved up a day appropriately.)

INTERNATIONAL:
Date: July 20, 2023 (timed to the JP midnight-on-July-21st release)
Publication: Digital (Viz/Shonen Jump + Manga Plus)
Cost: Free

FIRST OFFICIAL TEASE:
The "Weekly Dragon Ball News" segment posted on the Dragon Ball Official Website on 10 July 2023 featured Victory Uchida (Shueisha employee/mascot, and editor for the Dragon Ball Super manga working alongside Toyotaro and Akira Toriyama) displaying a tease for the upcoming drafts on screen, which will (tentatively) be shared on July 14.



STORYBOARDS/DRAFTS:
The first several pages of any given chapter's roughs/storyboards/drafts have been posted on the official Dragon Ball website for quite some time now (in all likelihood done in an attempt to combat piracy and control the narrative by releasing teases of specific information and context at their own discretion). The drafts for Dragon Ball Super manga chapter 95 were posted on July 14 (Japan time). As these specific articles are generally removed from the website upon the chapter's formal release, archived versions of these links (such as this) are generally shared by fandom.



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THREAD/DISCUSSION INFORMATION

This is the "official" discussion thread for Dragon Ball Super manga chapter 95. All content regarding this specific chapter would be great to include here in this thread, rather than the dedicated / larger / all-encompassing ongoing thread. Posts that are specific to the individual chapter in the gigantic thread with no relevance to the larger series will be reported and/or removed.

Q: When will this thread open?

A: This thread will be opened by a Kanzenshuu moderator when the first official promotion of the respective chapter occurs. This may be when its storyboards are shared, or in some kind of formal news article leading up to that point. Please do not create a separate thread of your own to discuss this chapter.

Q: What is the history behind a [blank]-specific discussion thread?

A: We established episode-specific discussion threads beginning with Dragon Ball Kai in 2011, followed by the Dragon Ball Super television series in 2015. These episode-specific threads allowed people to discuss just that: those specific episodes, without being interrupted by other discussions regarding general production, promotion, etc. We didn't create corresponding Dragon Ball Super manga chapter threads at its debut due to the nature of its production: it was initially billed as a "comicalization" of the television series, and the first arc barely stood on its own as a unique production, rather than supplemental/incidental/disposable. We had kept the larger thread out of inertia from those earlier chapters, and have wavered for literal years over whether or not to separate them out.

Q: We've had worthwhile individual chapters since chapter five. This is absurd. Why are you just starting individual discussion threads so many years into the manga, when the TV series had it from the start?

A: All of that is correct. Maybe we will go back and pull out threads for past chapters. Maybe we won't. We should have done this a long time ago. Better late than never. This is the plan for now on and is not currently up for discussion or reconsideration. Thank you.

Q: OK, but... so what's the point?

A: At Kanzenshuu we believe in history and preservation. It is worthwhile to future versions of ourselves and entirely new future fans to be able to dig back and find real-time reactions to specific productions (such as a specific episode or chapter). It's much easier to do this when the discussions are separated into these unique threads.

Q: When will new threads be created?

A: Threads for new/upcoming manga chapters will be created by a Kanzenshuu administrator at an appropriate point in time following the release of a previous chapter, and ahead of that next chapter's release schedule (which itself includes the official drafts/storyboards).

Q: OK, so what do you expect us to actually discuss in a chapter thread, particularly ahead of its release?

A: For some time now, Shueisha (in all likelihood to combat "leaks" and illegal piracy) has released "draft" pages of upcoming chapters in the two weeks leading up to any given chapter's release. These are official pieces of information dissemination and absolutely up for discussion. We welcome questions about where and how to legally and officially consume the manga. We do not condone nor allow the discussion or encouragement of piracy. Following a chapter's release, of course anything relating to that chapter and its contents are up for discussion in a specific thread.

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A: You can discuss whatever you want, so long as it lives up to the community guidelines. It is recommended that you link to / discuss actual sources of information, rather than second-hand accounts. Twitter and its users are not "sources" of information. Shueisha has its own official Dragon Ball website and weekly news broadcast on YouTube, which will in all likelihood be your actual primary sources of information leading up to a chapter's release.

Q: What if I have something to say about another chapter that's not this chapter?

A: Is what you have to say/ask/post even tangentially related to this chapter? That's fine. Does it have absolutely nothing to do with this chapter? Post it elsewhere. These chapter-specific threads do not automatically close after a new chapter comes out; you are free to keep discussing a specific chapter for as long as you all feel like talking about it.

Q: So what do we do with the big/main thread?

A: The dedicated / larger / all-encompassing ongoing thread is still perfect for overall/holistic discussion regarding the manga, its production, its promotion, its content relation to other parts of the franchise, etc.

Q: I want to learn more about what's going on with this manga's production!

A: Check out Episode #0489 of our podcast for an extreme deep-dive (with all the receipts you can eat!) into the production of the manga, including all of the ways that Toyotaro, Akira Toriyama, and Victory Uchida each individually contribute to it.

[Miracles]

Excited to get closer to the next arc with each passing chapter. As the manga Super Hero arc can never outdo the movie.

[Koitsukai]

Hopefully, we'll get to see Orange Piccolo. Beast Gohan probably not for a couple of months, at best it'll be the cliffhanger of chapter 96.

[MuscleRobo]

Excited to get closer to the next arc with each passing chapter. As the manga Super Hero arc can never outdo the movie.

Seriously, half the posts in the last thread were made before the chapter came out. It came out and all anyone had to say was "Well, that's that."

I hope something is slightly different or they start adapting it more quickly at least this month.

[Vegard Aune]

Speaking as someone who had previously only read up til volume 9 and only now decided to check out the last few chapters because I heard Toyotaro was actually covering the movie in detail, I will say...

Yeah, perhaps these chapters don't leave us with an abundance of things to talk about, but it does strike me as a fairly respectable adaptation of the movie. And ngl, since the movie is part of the canon and ends in a way that very much seems to imply that things from it will carry forward into future content (What with Broly & crew being on Beerus's planet, Piccolo inviting Gamma 1 to come join the gang, and of course the new transformations), I'm glad the manga is actually dealing with it. I never much liked how F and Broly were just skipped entirely and then just briefly recapped through narration whenever anything from them became relevant.

Even if the DBS manga is meant to be more of a "promotional" thing, I just prefer that it still be able to stand on its own. Especially since at this point, literally more than half of its content is 100% its own thing while the anime continues to... not be a thing outside of infrequent movies...

[Miracles]

Excited to get closer to the next arc with each passing chapter. As the manga Super Hero arc can never outdo the movie.

Seriously, half the posts in the last thread were made before the chapter came out. It came out and all anyone had to say was "Well, that's that."

I hope something is slightly different or they start adapting it more quickly at least this month.

Agreed. So far it's been almost the exact same as the movie.

[MuscleRobo]

I never much liked how F and Broly were just skipped entirely and then just briefly recapped through narration whenever anything from them became relevant ...

This isn't meant to be a call out to just you but I see a lot of people saying this; again even though it barely had any posts I think three in the last chapter topic said the same thing. The thing is if you want the Super Manga to stand on its own; it already skipped those and there's no going back. It also skipped half the Battle of the Gods! What's the point in course correcting at this point; it doesn't and can't stand on its own without context from the anime and films.

[Vegard Aune]

I never much liked how F and Broly were just skipped entirely and then just briefly recapped through narration whenever anything from them became relevant ...

This isn't meant to be a call out to just you but I see a lot of people saying this; again even though it barely had any posts I think three in the last chapter topic said the same thing. The thing is if you want the Super Manga to stand on its own; it already skipped those and there's no going back. It also skipped half the Battle of the Gods! What's the point in course correcting at this point; it doesn't and can't stand on its own without context from the anime and films.

"We didn't do a good job before so let's not do a good job now either!" is a very self-defeating mindset. Yeah, the manga's handling of... honestly anything that was also in the anime... has been lackluster at best. The Future Trunks arc was the only one where it didn't feel to me like Toyotaro was rushing to get through it as fast as possible. (Figures. He went all-out for the arc I actively hate...) But the way I see it? Better late than never. Yeah, Battle of Gods got fast-forwarded through, Resurrection F got set up and then promptly skipped entirely, Universe 6 blazed past its own denouement in the span of like five pages, the Universe Survival arc didn't really leave room for any plot point to breathe and then Broly got "But that is a story for another time"-d... But at least after that we might now have a manga that, like... takes its time letting the story actually play out?

[kemuri07]

I don't have a problem with the manga skipping the movies because, well, I already saw the movies. And the idea that we should wait months on end for what essentially is a one-to-one adaptation of a story that we already know how it will conclude is ludicrous. I've said this before and I'll say it again: the choice to make SuperHero a full length story arch has effectively killed any momentum that the series could have had following Black Frieza, because it's not connected in any way shape or form to the last story arc.

[Grimlock]

Ladies and gentlemen... TEEN MARRON!




Well, technically, pre-teen Marron, she's eleven years old. But finally a good reason for this goddamned retelling to exist! Thank you, Toyotaro. Now, just give us a proper teen Gotenks and this might actually be worth of everybody's time.

[Xeogran]

Marron's nose grew

[Alruneia]

Ladies and gentlemen... TEEN MARRON!

Spoiler:

Well, technically, pre-teen Marron, she's eleven years old. But finally a good reason for this goddamned retelling to exist! Thank you, Toyotaro. Now, just give us a proper teen Gotenks and this might actually be worth of everybody's time.

Important image! Time exists! I'd say she more or less looks exactly like her EoZ self here.
I feel silly getting mildly excited about this, but here I am.

[Grimlock]

Important image! Time exists! I'd say she more or less looks exactly like her EoZ self here.

As it should be expected. We are just two years away from "end of Z".

I feel silly getting mildly excited about this, but here I am.

There's no reason to feel "silly". There is, however, reason to feel excited about this. We feel excited because Dragon Ball Super took too long to age them up, we are celebrating what should have been common and should have happened years ago, in-and-out-of-universe speaking.

[Omori]

One of the reasons it's nice that the manga has the chance to explore on that time period.
Especially since we don't know whether the next story will still be before EoZ or after.

Either way, great job, Toyotaro

[Toxin45]

Important image! Time exists! I'd say she more or less looks exactly like her EoZ self here.

As it should be expected. We are just two years away from "end of Z".

I feel silly getting mildly excited about this, but here I am.

There's no reason to feel "silly". There is, however, reason to feel excited about this. We feel excited because Dragon Ball Super took too long to age them up, we are celebrating what should have been common and should have happened years ago, in-and-out-of-universe speaking.

Well technically one year since super hero is set in age 783 end of z is set age 784

[YamiGoku]

Is it me or she looks kinda tall for 11? maybe she has the anti-saiyan grow gene

Finally something worth our time, I hope we get to see some more new content, even if it's just new designs.

[Grimlock]

Well technically one year since super hero is set in age 783 end of z is set age 784

It's AGE 782, as per Pan's age.

maybe she has the anti-saiyan grow gene

It's funny you say that because this is how Marron looks like in Universe Survival saga.

Spoiler:

She went from still looking like a three-year-old kid to what you're seeing in the image above in just two years. If anything, she not only possesses the Saiyan grow gene, it works "even better" in her case. I think she is also like that in Moro saga, if she appears there at all (Moro saga either takes place in AGE 780 or AGE 781). Who'd thought they would create even more problems just by taking too long to age the characters up... We take what we can get, I guess.

[Toxin45]

Well technically one year since super hero is set in age 783 end of z is set age 784

It's AGE 782, as per Pan's age.

maybe she has the anti-saiyan grow gene

It's funny you say that because this is how Marron looks like in Universe Survival saga.

Spoiler:

She went from still looking like a three-year-old kid to what you're seeing in the image above in just two years. If anything, she not only possesses the Saiyan grow gene, it works "even better" in her case. I think she is also like that in Moro saga, if she appears there at all (Moro saga either takes place in AGE 780 or AGE 781). Who'd thought they would create even more problems just by taking too long to age the characters up... We take what we can get, I guess.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Age_783

wrong super hero takes place in age 783 not 782 plus pan is 3 in this

[Grimlock]

Well, if wiki states that then it can only be true. There's nothing for a mere mortal like me to do. My bad.

(I did not expect to still see wiki being used as "source" in 2023, talk about surprises...).

[Toxin45]

Well, if wiki states that then it can only be true. There's nothing for a mere mortal like me to do. My bad.

(I did not expect to still see wiki being used as "source" in 2023, talk about surprises...).

Well then it was from the movie bios.