Kanzenshuu

Design wise I'd say that Saiyans are the most uninteresting species of aliens Dragon Ball has to offer. They're just humans with tails, and even that small, slight, subtle design difference is quickly dropped. That's an unpopular opinion? I always thought it was a 'No shit!' type of thing. Well, co...

He is not a warrior anymore, he is not a killer; he ia a husband, a father, who LIKES TO FIGHT but as a sport. GT followed this visual progression, giving him even a mustach. But this logical was broken in DBS, where, because of fanservices purposes, he started to wear his armor again. That's not h...

[spoiler] He improves because he wants to be like Goku. Thats not, well entertaining. Here is the thing: Vegeta never would have improved himself unless he is trying to surpass Goku. I always bring this up and people ignore me. Vegeta was that character in GT and he did nothing of merit. He didn't e...

floofychan333 wrote:

Trickster wrote:
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Um, I see no difference. Just drawn with new equipment and technology probs.

To me, the difference is as clear as a super saiyan's hair.

GT Vegeta has nothing to fight for because his arc was already concluded in DBZ. To be the best he can be. Goku is constantly training, not simply to fight off an impending big bad. He does so for its own sake. It's who he is. Vegeta admonished Gohan for taking it easy in the peace time before the ...

Wait, wouldn't him putting his pride down to get training from another person be a sign of said development. Because I don't think pre buu arc vegeta would do that. Vegeta fought without thinking in the buu saga too, hell in movies 12 and 13, he did that exact same thing. He also didn't want to do ...

In Toei's current condition, no, I wouldn't. Besides the production itself being very poor, I don't think DB works without Minoru Maeda, Shunsuke Kikuchi and the rest of the members of the original staff. I mean, DB would never being so popular in the whole world if the OST, for example, wasn't the ...

He improves because he wants to be like Goku. Thats not, well entertaining. Here is the thing: Vegeta never would have improved himself unless he is trying to surpass Goku. I always bring this up and people ignore me. Vegeta was that character in GT and he did nothing of merit. He didn't even impro...

Friends can be competitive. His arc in the Buu arc wasn't about them becoming friends. It was about Vegeta finally letting go of his insecurity. Secure people can still be competitive. They simply don't see someone better at something as an afront to their self image. Domesticated Vegeta is not a n...

Why not? How would he act? He would act as he acts in movies 12 e 13 and in EoZ. They are friends now, he understood his acts in favor of his pride were selfish and inconsequent. He respect Goku as an equal, as a"hook" that inspire him to improve himself always, not as someone who is comp...

DragonBallFoodie wrote:They both keep breaking limits and challenging the limits of possibility.

This is balanced though by their very human vices of laziness (Goku) and pride (Vegeta).

Laziness? Kid Goku used to wake up at 6 am to break some stones and go hunting. Goku was never lazy. DBS' Goku is just a jerk.

Many great ones have been said already, but I really like Goku's gut punch to Freeza: http://33.media.tumblr.com/b0c9eb6f92b088dac56b581d478441e1/tumblr_inline_n8nrtcj2dU1ri065t.gif The full scene slows down the animation a bit, and it gives you a sense that after a long fight, Freeza is no longer ...

Sorry for the confusion. By progress I mean how good Vegeta is as a person. By showing character development, I'm referring more to the degree to which he's developed because if he becomes a goody two shoes then it's a step too far, but if having Vegeta have a healthier sense of competition while s...

SonReggie wrote:Future Trunks blue hair. Wouldn't have been a problem in itself if they hadn't show flashbacks..... where he has Blue hair.

A poster Toriyama made in 2013 already showed Kid Trunks with a blue hair, also.

ABED wrote:

In Super he's worst, but I still think the RoF's representation is not the ideal.

Not the ideal in terms of showing progress or not the ideal in terms of showing his character development?

What's the difference?

ABED wrote:I only have RoF to go off of.

In Super he's worst, but I still think the RoF's representation is not the ideal.

Why not? How would he act? He would act as he acts in movies 12 e 13 and in EoZ. They are friends now, he understood his acts in favor of his pride were selfish and inconsequent. He respect Goku as an equal, as a"hook" that inspire him to improve himself always, not as someone who is comp...

I would reverse DBGT and DBS' scores. And I don't think DBZ is a 10/10 anime, but, in comparison only with the franchise itself, I agree it is. Yeah I was comparing it to the DB series only, I don't watch other anime, not a fan of it. (Btw, could you solve me a doubt? The way I wrote was right or I...

I read that. But your argue is not convicing, for me. I don't think a post-Boo Vegeta would act like this. Why not? How would he act? He would act as he acts in movies 12 e 13 and in EoZ. They are friends now, he understood his acts in favor of his pride were selfish and inconsequent. He respect Go...

"The progress into being friendly rivals who use each other to measure their personal growth is progress indeed. Vegeta doesn't need to be completely indifferent to Goku's ability and his progression of strength. It's just no longer the sole factor in determining his self-worth." I do agr...