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I dont agree with the extreme take that he specifically chose to stay dead because he wanted to fight dudes in heaven either. Goku was always an in the moment guy who does what he thinks IN THAT MOMENT only, and his decisions are never willful and deliberated (say like Vegeta's) or out of any maste...

The reasons Goku offers to stay dead are indeed pretty flimsy, and he doesn't let in any attempts by anyone to sway/talk him out of it. Though this also depends on if one thinks that he's really telling the truth about wanting to keep the Earth safe, rather than him just whipping up an excuse to fi...

It's deeper as in it's a weak decision. Not that it's wrong - there's no other way - but the reasons Goku provided is weak and moot. He essentially just stayed dead because he was influenced by Bulma's WRONG opinions. She slept with a bad guy ANd then blamed him for attracting bad guys ? Bulma is an...

Likely we will. Minus did get animated. And Tights was interesting enough and distinct enough from Bulma for Toei to invest in.

Goku means well so i wouldnt fault him too much. I would blame someone who KNOWS fully the consequences of his actions, who is a planner but throw it away for short lived fun and ego like Vegeta. Goku is simply a bad planner and a bad problem solver, worse than he thinks that is, and he is not above...

Yes to an extent. I dont like Chris Sabat voicing 3 WILDLY different characters for example. At least the Son family are alike in the case of Nozawa, and she didnt let her personal ticks bleed into the roles. Voice actors influence a part of perception about characters, and American fandom is pretty...

A fantasy world that is distinctively East Asian. Yes. Is there some official rules on what can be fantasy? No, but there is some common sense and cultural respect. Dragon Ball is a work written by a Japanese author in a world steeped in Asian iconography with a basic premise and main character rip...

Goku was never a teacher. Nobody asked him to teach them anything and he wouldn't. Rip Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Pan, Uub Goku was indirectly responsible for those characters attaining/realizing their true strengths "Indirectly" lol. Gohan gets stronger when he's angry : Ask Piccolo since sai...

Goku was never a teacher. Nobody asked him to teach them anything and he wouldn't.

Well I won't deny Vegeta is an asshole who repeaed what he sew, it just seems Goku can be selfish and the narrative favours him. Then again, to play Devil's advocate against myself: 1.) Goku lets go off Raditz tail, and dies in battle later on as a result. 2.) Goku lets Gero build the Androids, and...

I view at he lost his touch somewhere during the original manga and in the 20 years with no "official" DB by him, in that he let too many people dictate and control and manipulate his content and characters. Now since 2013 though, while many people think Super is boring and repetitive, or ...

Every retcon, tweak and addition Toyotaro adds on to the Super manga compared to movies and the anime series.
I wanted to say the Bardock TV special - yes, Minus is a good retcon of it - but since it's not retcon, Episode of Bardock.

I have never watched the anime all the way. It's slow and grating on some parts. maybe one day i will without fillers. But the manga, tens of times or something like that.

Something I consider very important for Dragon Ball success is the constant leap forwards. This movie has that feel. Pan and Gohan being the poster with noticeable changes right in the trailer. BoG also had that same feel since it opened a whole Universe(s). The Broly movie did not. It's like a sel...

Yeah exactly. Toriyama likes to introduce and write characters in pairs, to let them bounce off each other.

Yup. RR would find a way to keep up with the likes of Goku and Vegeta in power wherever they go, and by now that includes the Multiverse and God's realm, so it's very possible that their new creations are fairly strong, even if the organization can't physically, you know, go to the Multiverse.

Vegeta's REAL past written by Toriyama, told in Vegeta's Pov, with Vegeta and not just amidst Goku's battles.

fleahop wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:25 pm A complete re-telling be it either manga or anime but with full authority and oversight from Toriyama.

An attempt to keep everything that made the original so great, while properly setting up future story beats. Trying to keep a consistent narrative throughout. I'd really like that.

Seconded.

Re: Vegeta's armor : The armor in all the past movies since Yo! symbolized the Saiyan-ness in those films : First his brother in a gathering, then Beerus and Freeza who directly had history with Saiyans. In a way, Vegeta WAS already the focal point, the main character for the "Saiyan" tril...

The earlier episodes of Saiyan and Namek Saga were better when they were not yet "fandom famous"., when there hasnt been yet a "TFS" universe. By the Cell Saga i couldnt stand to watch. A lot of the forcedness and general...badness was because they dont have as good a grasp on ce...