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please enough with your pompous attitude it's so hard to talk to someone so arrogant and no piccolo does not say that at all that is why i didn't bring it up, so all that shows is that Gohan could have done a lot better if he kept in shape which is shown in episode 90 when he fights ssb Goku https:/...

i did check and Goku does say considering his original power he should have been able to do better but i don't see what relevance this has you're not making sense, it is stated Goku has surpassed SSG as a SSJ (without god ki because he is not ssb) and yet you are saying that Goku wasn't comparing hi...

your continued insults only show how poorly you deal with loss and how hypocritical you are you can't find something on google that does not exist. piccolo never stated that again you just make things up. "use the same power you used against buu" meaning his mystic state not literally the ...

1. No, I'm not arguing at all to up until that point. At the time of the tournament, Goku hasn't the "power of a god" because every other character says so, and that's all I need to prove. Your point that 60 episodes prior it was said he had it/some of it is, like I said, completely moot....

I don't need the quotes from any episode, as they do not really go against anything of which it's been said so far. 1. You don't know what happened to the Super Saiyan Goku weeks or months after the BOG arc; in fact, the same Super Saiyan Goku is shown as trading blows on equalish terms with a Supe...

it is flat out stated by the narrator, that he is at the level of Gods and that vegeta was training to get there himself and that is months after the beerus battle and plus there were so many errors in your "explanation" that make no sense and contradict statements but we go to any length...

@TheMikado , I genuinely do appreciate your approach towards all of this. Your first post on this thread was very well put -- I think you have a great grasp of what the intention of Saiyan Beyond God is. If you recall in one of our last correspondences, we were discussing how Saiyan Beyond God coul...

it is flat out stated by the narrator, that he is at the level of Gods and that vegeta was training to get there himself and that is months after the beerus battle and plus there were so many errors in your explanation that make no sense and contradict statements but we go to any lengths to protect ...

The two-base theory was something made to acknowledge, in-universe, the return of the old Super Saiyan forms. Per what was established in ROF and the related material, this appeared rather counter-intuitive. It was later made to circle around the idea that everyone - suddenly and without any accept...

agreed this SBG is dead

if SBG was real Goku would have became a SSG, there is no indication he has ever used God ki in his base form only the opposite has ever been shown

at this point it is clinging to a dead theory

hero's is not canon and has tons of whacky things like super mira using hero's as evidence is absurd You do know that "Super Mira" is his Super Saiyan form, right? So what's so "whacky" about it? everything is wacky about hero's from ssj4 broly to daubura kid buu and mira and su...

Super is poorly written, it hurts to say it but it is so i think they got the idea from the manga and added it to the anime

i highly doubt they will explain why he has not used it

people need to let the two base theory die, if you honestly think that they are going to say Goku has been using SSG in base then you don't know anything about dragon ball super. the two base theory has always been a poor theory made by fans that made little to no sense and was made to downplay the ...

hero's is not canon and has tons of whacky things like super mira using hero's as evidence is absurd

always has been a terrible theory that everyone treated like a fact

I agree to a point. I would actually put Gohan at or above Vegeta's level at this point. I think it's Vegeta's motivation for using the Room of Spirit and Time. I'd also put 17 and Piccolo in second tier above Frieza. RoF was a long time ago, and 17 could keep up with a much more powerful SSJB (whi...

So what is everyone's current full list of powerlevels? Current SSB Tier: 1. Goku 2. Vegeta - I still feel like his SSB is stronger, but Kaioken x10 is just overkill. 2nd Tier (no particular order)- still God Tier but more SSG to ROF SSB : 17 / Gohan / Frieza - unknown if Frieza trained on his stam...

Actually, no. Super sayan gohan who is way weaker than Mystic gohan two-shotted Ginyu-Tagoma while holding back. On topic, around even with super perfect cell, below CG Gohan and significantly below any version of Majin buu great refutation, really compelling clearly was well thought out and had su...

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:He used 70%, and Toriyama said SSG Goku was as strong as 60% Beerus. As long as the Super manga doesn't contradict this (and it doesn't, so far), I see no reason to disregard it. And also, we have no idea how much Kaioshin knows about Beerus' power.

That is not said in the manga or the anime.

piccolo clearly felt both their power levels and inferred frieza was stronger as evidenced when Goku used the kaioken x20 and frieza withstood it thus showing Goku and the gang frieza was suppressed obviously unless you ant to argue Goku couldn't tell? frieza was clearly doing short burst of his po...