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How much stronger is Android 20 compared to Namek Freeza?
I am tired of people claiming that Freeza could beat Android 20 simply because the Androids were defeated by Super Saiyajin level characters. That argument ignores the massive power escalation that happens after Namek. Vegeta clearly scales ...

Closer to Base Saiyans than the Super Saiyans when you consider the fact that, off-guard or not, Goku's punch staggered him. If you think that Base Goku (Android Saga) > Super Saiyan Goku (Frieza Saga) then by all means go ahead but I personally think nobody in that part of the story was ...

In fact, considering the image being used, the age of the materials, the fact that it was a banned user that posted it in a thread you linked... I'd be half-tempted to proposed here that you're just someone resurfacing looking to stir up nonsense, and/or even are the original person who fabricated ...

I don't think I've ever seen this scan or power level mentioned in modern Dragon Ball discussions aside from the almost decade old links you posted just now, and I've been quite active in the wider community during that time. Is it really prevalent enough to warrant any kind of attention or ...

does nobody on Kanzenshuu even check these threads?


What you posted was an image with no description, no context, no notes about anything about it whatsoever. Is this image actually prevalent? Does it cause regular issues? What or why? We aren't going to add some random one-off thing that ...

Here is the source of the fake scan btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neWZ5eurdYU

does nobody on Kanzenshuu even check these threads?

The Battle Power Guide says the Carddass power levels for ssj Goku, Frieza, and Cooler are 2.7 million. The correct numbers should be 27 million. 90,000 battle power on the card with a modifier of x300 = 27 million.

Cell Games FPSS Goku vs Cell Games SS Vegeta (enraged, after Trunks is killed by SP Cell)


Goku pretty easily.


Early Buu arc Hypothetical SS2 Goten vs Super Perfect Cell.
Early Buu arc Hypothetical SS2 Trunks vs Dabura.

Early Buu arc SS Trunks vs Cell Games SS Goku.
If Trunks can beat him ...

So, you think that Goku, having a power-level of 5 around this age, would have managed to survive a deep fall into a ravine? I understand Saiyans are supposed to be built different, but if Goku were to get shot, he'd die. If Son Gohan were to get shot when he was a kid in the Saiyan Arc ...

This would just be incoherent with many other things, like Goku looking stronger than Goten during "yo son Goku and his friends return" , or with BoG's movie writer saying that no one ever surpassed SSJ3 (Goku) and that they came up with SSJG on purpose to do that.

And obviously , there's even ...

Probably between 5-10. I don't think you can get a more accurate answer than this.


So, you think that Goku, having a power-level of 5 around this age, would have managed to survive a deep fall into a ravine? I understand Saiyans are supposed to be built different, but if Goku were to get shot ...

I know where that EML quote comes from. From one of the first spanish translations of the manga. I was also convinced the merger meant a 5x boost because of that translation until I watched that scene in japanese for the first time.
It turns out there is no such line, but one more vague: Many ...

Probably between 5-10. I don't think you can get a more accurate answer than this.

BernardoCairo wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:58 pm

dragon boss z wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:13 pmThat's what I said. You literally quoted be saying "ssj Goku" and "ssj2 Gohan"

I know. I asked this because there was a bit of confusion in the replies after your post.

yeah, dragon ball fans can't read

1. They always say they are at their limit then break past it
2. Goku may have made that assessment for himself but he can't gauge if gohan has reached his limit
3.Goku is in fact stronger than SSJ2 Cell saga gohan


1. Eh, in the original manga Vegeta said he reached his limits during the ...

Goku implied they were near their limit and would just be wasting their time. The Buu saga implies they didn't get that much stronger after 7 years of hard training as ssj Goku was still weaker than Cell games ssj2 Gohan. A lot of the "saiyans and other characters get dozens of times stronger every ...

See, here's the thing: from the moment we acknowledge Kid Boo's power most likely went down, we have little to no reason to assume it went back up, let alone above the level Super Boo has displayed, which was apparently enough for Goku not to try to take him on at all, as opposed to actually ...

Sorry, but I find all that difficult to buy into. Sure, Vegeta commented on Kid Boo's height, but if indeed Kid Boo's power didn't change from when Super Boo turned Buff, then I don't see how his size is supposed to help them with his power or regeneration when their whole goal was to decrease his ...