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Old Moro was nowhere near SSJ God Vegeta in terms of sheer power. The only reason he fared aswell as he did against him was because of his magic and nothing more. He used the planet’s own energy to attack Vegeta (which strangely is powerful enough to overcome God Vegeta, but hey! Writing) So Old Mor...

What exact training method was being used for him to attain such a divine and miraculous transformation that normally requiers a magic ritual involving 5 other good hearted Saiyans to pour their spirit energy into you??? We know Vegeta got it from Whis’ training and not the magic ritual. What exact...

Does anyone know where this is from? I found it on Dragon Ball Wiki, and I really want it to be serious and canon as opposed to it just being a mindless gag thing.

No matter how I look at it, I just can’t seem to get a clue as to how Vegeta achieved SSJ God on his own. What training methods were being used? And how is SSJ God so different from SSJ Blue?! They totally have nothing in common! It’s like they’re fundamentally different transformations! I can’t see...

I can’t believe what I’m reading. Especially from people who want him to become stronger, asking for him to defuse with his 2 main power sources. Remember how strong he became after fusing with Nail on Namek? And especially remember how strong he became after becoming one again with Kami becoming ev...

Why do people even bother still? He has been irrelevant since the Buu Arc.

Dragon Wukong wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:15 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:50 pm

When you attain Ultra Instinct, you automatically achieve God ki. Or at least, for Saiyans that is.

I highly doubt that it would only be the case for Saiyans, especially given the emphasis on how Ultra Instinct is a godly technique.

Hence why I said “AT LEAST”.

I mean, highly skilled and experienced martial artists like Hit and Jiren should be able to achieve Ultra Instinct in theory. And neither of them have Godly Ki. Perfect Cell likewise. They don't have, but they could train to achieve a state of divine ki. Ultra Instinct has godly ki anyhow, so they'...

I mean, highly skilled and experienced martial artists like Hit and Jiren should be able to achieve Ultra Instinct in theory. And neither of them have Godly Ki. Perfect Cell likewise.

I assume being able to use godly ki in the first place may be a prerequisite to this form. Personally, my interpretation is the opposite. It's more that the strength of these transformations, starting with SSG, acts as a prerequisite to unlocking god ki for the Saiyans at their current level. I thi...

What exact training method was being used for him to attain such a divine and miraculous transformation that normally requiers a magic ritual involving 5 other good hearted Saiyans to pour their spirit energy into you??? We know Vegeta got it from Whis’ training and not the magic ritual. What exact ...

Roshi managed to briefly tap into UI despite having normal Ki so obviously UI doesn't require God Ki to actually use, it just helps to have had access to such incredible power as a guide to using another incredible power as UI. I imagine that Roshi could eventually use UI regularly too as he still ...

According to the writers themselves at least, SSG, SSB and SSBE are all related. You can’t have the higher forms without the lower. So SSGSS is dependent on SSG (which I find strange if you’ve read my other threads) and SSBE naturally is dependent on SSB. Something that I DO fully agree with. Okay f...

Actually the blue after the red does make sense in a heat-ish sort of way. Like blue stars burning hotter than red stars. That colour progress always worked for me. Keeping the distinctive eyes would've been better, I agree, but the bulkier physique of SSB isn't weird to me. After all, it is a mult...

What you're saying sounds like this: "SSBlue has nothing to do with SSGod, because I don't like how it's visually presented. If it had anything to do with SSGod, it would look like something I made up just now, and that's fact." This is not how we speak to one another here on Kanzenshuu. Stop troll...

Yeah yeah, I know, the name is “Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan” But ignoring names and Toyotaro’s own statements for a moment. The two forms have literally NOTHING in common, except for the fact that both of them use God Ki and have “Super Saiyan God” in their name. If it truly was a legit “Super Sai...

Elder Kai seems pretty content with being who is right now. I wouldn't mind seeing Kami or Nail again honestly. Nail is badass and Kami adds a sage like presence to Dragon Ball that's been missing for a while now. I was thinking he might use it to separate Daishinkan or the Supreme Kai of the South...

And simply have SSJ God as Goku and Vegeta’s ultimate form? I personally would have loved it, and prefer it far better than what we’ve got. It’s much simpler, and reduces many of the later forms’ inconsistencies. There was literally no need for them to introduce SSJ Blue other than to sell toys. SSJ...

I really wanna see that old hag again! Who somehow managed to appear on the Sacred Kaioshin Realm 75 million years ago and put on one of the (then young) elder Kaioshin’s potara and so they merged. The Old Witch! I wanna know her story! And everything about her. To already be that old 75 million yea...

So Vegeta is going to job again. How surprising. Stuff like this is why I never lead with the fact that Vegeta is far and away my favorite character in all of fiction (Anakin Skywalker is second, and he's a VERY distant second). "Fans" tend to have this notion that characters "deserve" wins or big ...