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by GodVegetto91
Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:08 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!
Replies: 14
Views: 278

Re: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!

Jiren The Alpha wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:10 am
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:50 am
Jiren The Alpha wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:16 pm


That was a Nanatsu no Taizai reference, sorry :lol:. All I'm saying is that Toriyama is going to chance that like he always does.
Chance “what”???!
"Change" my bad.
Ahh okay. 👍
by GodVegetto91
Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:50 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!
Replies: 14
Views: 278

Re: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!

Toriyama the Lion Sin of Laziness: Who decided that? I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here. How does this post of yours add anything to this discussion? Please explain, since I’m genuinely curious in hearing what your explanation for it is. That was a Nanatsu no Taizai reference, sorry ...
by GodVegetto91
Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:49 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!
Replies: 14
Views: 278

Re: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!

Thani wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:05 pm
I like this. If it remains consistent, I'll be pleased.
Thanks.
by GodVegetto91
Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:18 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!
Replies: 16
Views: 363

Re: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!

I do like the idea of Hakai besting UI in raw power (at least the lowest level of UI that Goku currently has), but not as polished in fighting skills since the user is still commanding their body. So they more or less even out. And yes, I think it's fairly likely that Vegeta will get a new form. Tr...
by GodVegetto91
Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!
Replies: 16
Views: 363

Re: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!

To be fair, it was never stated that Ultra Instinct is inherently superior to Destruction Energy. What WAS said, instead, is that it's a difficult state to master. So difficult, indeed, that even the Gods can't quite get the hang of it easily - and that's the thing, they said easily , so the Gods c...
by GodVegetto91
Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:06 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!
Replies: 16
Views: 363

Re: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!

To be fair, it was never stated that Ultra Instinct is inherently superior to Destruction Energy. What WAS said, instead, is that it's a difficult state to master. So difficult, indeed, that even the Gods can't quite get the hang of it easily - and that's the thing, they said easily , so the Gods c...
by GodVegetto91
Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:59 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!
Replies: 14
Views: 278

Re: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!

Jiren The Alpha wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:31 am
Toriyama the Lion Sin of Laziness: Who decided that?
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here. How does this post of yours add anything to this discussion? Please explain, since I’m genuinely curious in hearing what your explanation for it is.
by GodVegetto91
Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:03 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Very important reminder that Vegeta is 2 levels above Goku (Minus UI!)
Replies: 0
Views: 67

Very important reminder that Vegeta is 2 levels above Goku (Minus UI!)

Minus UI... Vegeta is now TWO steps above Goku! 1. SSBE 2. Spirit Control Spirit Control training has MASSIVELY amped up Vegeta’s Base form FAR beyond Goku’s one.. (And this naturally extends to all of his transformations, as they are just simply multipliers!) Therefore, Vegeta’s Perfected SSJ Blue...
by GodVegetto91
Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:19 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!
Replies: 16
Views: 363

Re: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!

I'm now justified to call you "crazy"? I mean, UI is a technique (despite beng the worst explained tech ever). Hakai is a gun. If I own a good gun, I can shoot you and bye. If you own a good technique, you win the annual karate competition. You cannot compare such different stuff. I don’t understan...
by GodVegetto91
Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:51 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!
Replies: 14
Views: 278

Re: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!

While their principles do sound contradictory, I don't know about these states not being able to be combined, after all, Whis is training Beerus trying him to attain UI. I wouldn't discard it even if they look like water and oil. Perhaps it's the new future goal for the characters that have mastere...
by GodVegetto91
Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:02 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!
Replies: 14
Views: 278

Re: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!

I wonder how a future fusion between Goku and Vegeta would operate under those condition. Could they use Ultra Instinct or God of Destruction technique? Or neither? Maybe going as far as SSBE, since it doesn’t require a specific state of mind to be used, as far as we know. I’ve thought about this a...
by GodVegetto91
Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:03 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!
Replies: 14
Views: 278

Re: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:46 am
What if a character has multiple personalities?
These can exist only at separate times😆
by GodVegetto91
Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:49 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..
Replies: 15
Views: 216

Re: It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..

The two of you have just as much evidence for your beliefs as I do. Beerus can make all the statements he wants. It doesn’t change the facts and the feats. To claim that Beerus has that pathetic version of UI called “Omen” is NOT a stretch in the least! It’s actually quite generous and laid back of...
by GodVegetto91
Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:58 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..
Replies: 15
Views: 216

Re: It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..

Actually, he does have UI Omen. You keep bringing this up every single time, but that is simply false. If it's 'false', then you'd need to explain how Beerus treats an instance of Omen as achieving Ultra Instinct "before me" - he doesn't say it in response to True Ultra Instinct, but in response to...
by GodVegetto91
Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:36 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..
Replies: 15
Views: 216

Re: It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..

As that is a state of UI that IS more easily attainable for the Gods of Destruction.. (As Beerus himself has it aswell..!) Beerus does not 'have' Omen (as of the last time this subject was addressed in the story, at least). When Goku achieved Omen in the Tournament of Power, Beerus specifically exc...
by GodVegetto91
Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:51 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..
Replies: 15
Views: 216

It’s possible for Vegeta to attain UI Omen aswell in the future..

As that is a state of UI that IS more easily attainable for the Gods of Destruction.. (As Beerus himself has it aswell..!) In the case that Vegeta DOES ever attain it, he will likely only use it for very specific tasks which the GoD mode might be inferior in (like speed and dodging hax, or if he nee...
by GodVegetto91
Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:48 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!
Replies: 14
Views: 278

Important reminder that UI and Hakai CANNOT be combined!

As they both requier different states of mind to achieve afterall! If one character has access to both forms, than said character has to make a choice.. 1 option... OR.. The other option! If Beerus wants to use Omen for instance.. It means he would need to focus his mind on nothing at all (to the be...
by GodVegetto91
Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!
Replies: 16
Views: 363

Re: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!

Smilodon wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:06 pm
Toppo had mastered the Hakai, while Jiren had an unmastered UI.

Jiren >>> Toppo
What????! Your post doesn’t make any sense..
by GodVegetto91
Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:20 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 38365
Views: 3134955

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Is there a reason why you are being so rude when I was just trying to help you out? Did you specify what country you live in? You said Amazon. Usually when people just say Amazon they mean the US store There are different regional Amazon stores like Amazon UK, Amazon Japan, Amazon France etc. why d...
by GodVegetto91
Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!
Replies: 16
Views: 363

Re: Do you like the fact that Hakai has been retconned to equal UI now??!

Polyphase Avatron wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:51 am
Nothing has been retconned. It's just that different characters have different levels of mastery of these techniques.
False. UI has always clearly been showcased as something naturally superior to Hakai.. There are many examples that prove this.. But now, it’s been retconned.