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by GodVegetto91
Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:49 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It's funny how some have come to the conclusion that all the gods of destruction are near each other in power. Yet the story completely contradicts such fiction. Jiren was only stronger than Belmond in both continuities. Not all the gods, proving all their powers vary. I know you're sticking to Tor...
by GodVegetto91
Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:29 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 75
Views: 1265

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

This one comes from an out-universe source. According to the image below, Dragon Ball Super starts six months after Majin Buu saga. I don't think I even need to say it brings tons of inconsistencies, do I? https://www.kanzenshuu.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/wj_31_2015-225x300.jpg?x29702 More deta...
by GodVegetto91
Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:41 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Vegeta has been confirmed stronger than UI Omen Goku by 3 different characters at least. No he hasn't. In fact, even the actual FEATS themselves show that much. Omen Goku got one shotted by Moro last month. Out of Omen, into Base Form! Vegeta got 3 shots from Moro 73, fell to the ground, and still ...
by GodVegetto91
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:03 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

We don't know for sure that Vegeta is above Goku's Omen. All we can say about that is that the two are roughly in the same ballpark which should mean that Vegeta should be more powerful than Jiren at least up to the point where he had another power up in order to face MUI Goku. Vegeta most likely i...
by GodVegetto91
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:42 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

If Moro can't be overcomed just by training? How do you think Goku got strong enough to beat him up to a pulp? Was he gifted that power? Did he steal it like Moro? Or did he train it for six months and unlocked it after Merus' final push? Is it another of those ALWAYS BUT NOT ALWAYS kind of situati...
by GodVegetto91
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:42 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

During the ToP, all Z fighters on the sidelines could watch MUI Goku’s movements against Jiren during their “full power” battle. During the beginning of the Moro Arc however, they couldn’t even see UI Sign Goku’s movements when he was speedblitzing Saganbo! Only Jaco could see it because of his supe...
by GodVegetto91
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:38 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 75
Views: 1265

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

To add to my original post, it means they should have never introduced Golden Freeza, Hit, and Jiren. They don’t deserve to be as strong or as capable as they were. That said, the Zamasu story could work, since as a Kaioshin (a GOD) taking over a Saiyan God’s body (Goku’s) could work and would pres...
by GodVegetto91
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 75
Views: 1265

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

To add to my original post, it means they should have never introduced Golden Freeza, Hit, and Jiren. They don’t deserve to be as strong or as capable as they were. That said, the Zamasu story could work, since as a Kaioshin (a GOD) taking over a Saiyan God’s body (Goku’s) could work and would prese...
by GodVegetto91
Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:36 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

While I'm not stating how Geran compares to Moro. I do believe this isn't a good statement to compare them. Yes, Geran trained to get where he's at but Vegeta mostly only trained to receive the level of power he's achieves besides his modest Majin boost. Another thing is that I seriously doubt Picc...
by GodVegetto91
Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:51 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I’m not sure this affects anything, but I would be remiss to not point this out: “training alone” = mere training; just training Not “training by oneself.” Still, the same argument applies. Jiren trained. Moro can’t be overcome by just training. It’s very clear what Piccolo was saying here. This is...
by GodVegetto91
Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:26 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 75
Views: 1265

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Just remembered another strange retcon: that Shin and every kaioshin knows teleportation. I feel like Toriyama forgot that this was actually the technique of Kibito back in Z. This one can be explained away by Shin not having proper Kaioshin training. He then retained the knowledge of the technique...
by GodVegetto91
Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:49 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

After Spirit Control SSBE Vegeta delivered a full-power power-punch to Moro’s gut and it still had no effect at all, Piccolo said that Prime Moro’s power, is ”at a level that can’t be overcome with training alone.” Jiren trained alone. While I'm not stating how Geran compares to Moro. I do believe ...
by GodVegetto91
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:25 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?
Replies: 75
Views: 1265

Re: What Inconsistencies &/or Retcons You Wished Were Never Made In Dragon Ball Super?

Creating dozens of mortal characters stronger than SSJ God. Nerving Goku from being multi galaxy level, to having only planetary feats. Did he get weaker???!

No one should have surpassed SSJ God after it was first introduced. Only the Gods of Destruction and Angels deserve to be stronger than it.
by GodVegetto91
Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:03 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

After Spirit Control SSBE Vegeta delivered a full-power power-punch to Moro’s gut and it still had no effect at all, Piccolo said that Prime Moro’s power, is ”at a level that can’t be overcome with training alone.” Jiren trained alone. Moro > Jiren. According to Piccolo. Also, only a “smidgen” of Pr...
by GodVegetto91
Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:06 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Xeno Goku Black, what if Moro 73 manages to copy Merus’ Angel powers and gets Ultra Instinct in the next chapter.. Will you still say that he’s weaker than Jiren? Or will you finally be forced to admit that he’s stronger than Jiren? I’d like to hear what you have to say about that. That's a very st...
by GodVegetto91
Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Xeno Goku Black, what if Moro 73 manages to copy Merus’ Angel powers and gets Ultra Instinct in the next chapter..

Will you still say that he’s weaker than Jiren?
Or will you finally be forced to admit that he’s stronger than Jiren?

I’d like to hear what you have to say about that.
by GodVegetto91
Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:15 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It makes ZERO sense for an enemy from 2 Arcs ago to be anywhere CLOSE to the current one. Was Frieza close to Majin Buu in terms of power? No. Was Vegeta close to Perfect Cell in terms of power? Hell No! So why should Jiren be anywhere close to a Fused Being from 2 Arcs later???! This is where you'...
by GodVegetto91
Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

As much as I don't want it to be true..I agree with Miracles... Beerus has yet to be surpassed by any of Goku's past oponents... Yes I know Broly & Vegito were compared to Beerus... But something tells me Beerus & Goku will have a rematch. Only then will we see Beerus unleash his full power + possi...
by GodVegetto91
Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:44 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Jiren is ancient history. He appeared 2 arcs ago and his strength means absolutely nothing anymore now. Complete nonsense. Next enemy (or should I say “MAIN” Enemy because one user above used several non main villains to prove his point) is always stronger than the last, with the exception of Beeru...
by GodVegetto91
Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:31 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 32698
Views: 1896762

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

As much as I don't want it to be true..I agree with Miracles... Beerus has yet to be surpassed by any of Goku's past oponents... Yes I know Broly & Vegito were compared to Beerus... But something tells me Beerus & Goku will have a rematch. Only then will we see Beerus unleash his full power + possi...