Kanzenshuu

1) Would Super Saiyan 4 be stronger if the transformation were to have been achieved after it's user entered the realm of the Gods first? Agreed with Kaboom on this one. It's also worth noting that Super Saiyan 4 is said to bring a user to their utmost limits. If we assume that becoming a God enhan...

Bullza wrote:Isn't it kinda odd that Super Vegito is so much stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks? He's over twice as strong.

But Goku and Vegeta shouldn't be that drastically stronger than Goten and Trunks.

Because Potara fusion is drastically stronger than Metamoran fusion.

Gotenks getting 50 times stronger in less than a week while being limited to 30 minute training sessions and then resting for an hour is just crazy. Didn't Freeza get a bajillion times stronger after "Training" for a few months? Yep. Goku also grew many times stronger in a short span of 3...

I'd increase Piccolo (Cell Games) even further. He did not seem to be so messed up after the Cell Junior fight. I think he being 78% of the Cell Junior is too much of a gap. I don't really think that he rivals Trunks or Vegeta just based on the fact that he isn't grouped together with Trunks and Ve...

He's too high. He admitted inferiority to the Cell that wrecked Super Vegeta. He knew Cell would get stronger than he was against Vegeta and Trunks, if I recall correctly. I believe when Goku comes out of the RoSaT he says to Piccolo that there's no way of knowing how powerful Cell would become. Al...

Zombie wrote:There's never been a thing like "Maintenance training".

There's a first for everything.

Also, bumped up CG and Boo arc Piccolo.

Bansho64 wrote:SS Goku (GT) vs Super Boo

As long as this is Goku after his travels in space, he could easily defeat Boo in base, let alone Super Saiyan.

Saiyan arc Arrival of Raditz Farmer ~ full power - 5 Piccolo ~ weighted - 322 ~ full power - 408 --- 1st Makankōsappō - 1,330 --- 2nd Makankōsappō - 1,280 Son Goku ~ weighted - 334 ~ full power - 416 --- Kamehameha - 924 Son Gohan ~ afraid - 1 ~ distressed - 710 ~ enraged - 1,307 Raditz ~ full powe...

I'm so confused...who am I missing here?!

If I recall correctly, after Goku goes to punch Super #17 again, #17 catches Goku's punch and then says that he can see through all of Goku's moves before smirking and then continuing to kick the crap out of Goku. So perhaps it's not explicitly stated that he toyed, but I think that coupled with his...

TheMikado wrote:His halfway around the world punch is pretty inexcusable but I guess you could make the case for a rage boost similar to Vegeta going God level rage boost.

#17 stated he was toying with Goku, so I don't think "rage boost" is a necessary explanation.

We can at least infer that General Rild is stronger than Evil Boo considering he was stronger than Gohan. We can also infer that Pan is stronger than Evil Boo as well from what happened if that is the case. Base Rildo was claimed to be superior to Majin Boo and yet Pan managed to dodge and land a f...

We can at least infer that General Rild is stronger than Evil Boo considering he was stronger than Gohan.

Mr. Satan vs Chapa-O? I... :| King Chappa was considered a formidable foe that could give 22nd TB Goku trouble. Now obviously he wasn't quite up to the task, but the estimation was still made by Roshi after seeing Goku's power three years prior. King Chappa > Goku (Uranai Baba arc) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> M...

Regarding Kibito, I've seen some people use the alternate name "Kibit". Where does that variation stem from?

GT Piccolo, GT Cell, and GT Frieza - gauntlet Round 1: each fighter attempts to clear the gauntlet individually. Round 2: all three fighters put aside their differences and seamlessly work together as a team. Round 1: Any of them could easily defeat anyone on the gauntlet aside from SS Vegetto. Rou...

It doesn't make sense for them in their interpretation of the manga. If it does for you, great, but you are not them. Can you elaborate more? Is just claiming "I don't think it makes sense" without providing any actual reasoning now supposed to be a valid way to say the author and charact...

Super has more Toriyama involvement and is also "canon", so clearly it's much better just because of that.

Does the Movie 03 pamphlet really say that Piano's battle power is 180? Or did the DB Wiki just make that up?

The entry that says their power is equal to Cell is very questionable I must say. Unless it's referring to the level Cell used against Goku, I don't think it's possible considering Gohan couldn't kill Cell in one hit like he did the Juniors. I'd say D2's entry makes the most sense.