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You keep saying Goku wasn't using full power, however, Hitto was the one playing with him the whole time not the other way around. He didn't use kaioken and Hitto didn't use time skip to counter kaioken. What i mean by full power is that last scene where Goku powers up in a explosion of ki that is ...

That's a lot of hoop jumping, assumptions and forcing Goku . Mixing the manga and anime to fit your head cannon. Vegeta's SSJ2 became stronger than SSJ3 goku through a rage boost (that apparently stayed for some reason) and Trunk's as strong as SSJ3 through training. No where is it implied, hinted,...

It's called the SEG, came out in 2007 if I'm not mistaken - it's THE source of people saying SSj is always 50x, SSj2 is 2x SSj and SSj3 is 4x SSj2. A lot of people treat it way too seriously and even bend manga logic to fit it. Guess it's convenience over logic, dunno. Well whatever is called i don...

As repetitive as the card of bringing back Freeza from the grave Why do people say this? he was brought back only once for a movie... Freeza has such a delicious character/persona that its a joy to see him in action, i wish they dindt kill him and he was just a lone wolf somewhere in the universe L...

Pretty much how i see it, to add to what you said i believe "base gohan" fighting Goku is way stronger than his previous self. He doesnt transform into mystic gohan he IS mystic all the time, Gohan and can control the power he uses Base Goku was also able to tank Piccolos super charged att...

I am on the phone so checking the official thread for correct page right now is going to be a real pain man.. I can give you my word for the thin image we got with her ,the magical girl and jiren, and of the one of her training after her transformation.. But when the spoiler of her being around jir...

I say this based on kale been shown to not have the bulky version in one image, combined the with the spoiler of her being trained after she unlocks LSS and the one of her being around jiren and the magical girl in the official thread.. It seems pretty clear to me what they are going for Would you ...

I will put a freshly unlocked LSS below SS2.. A trained thinned down version around SSB and higher I get its all up to the plot to dictate how strong a character or form gets, so anything is possible really Having said it seems excessive to put this "LSS" on SSG tier let alone SSB and bas...

I know that the Ultimate form is not a transformation. I consider it a '' state ''. But she just releases all her hidden power when she uses it. And even without using this '' form '', he was able to rival Goku's base. In fact, Vegeta did not say that Trunks SSJ2 had a power close to that of Goku S...

Yes, I also think they are constantly changing the power of their base form. I do not think Odd Trunks SSJ2 get close to the Goku SSJ3 in the manga, it's just strange he's in base form being superior to Gotenks SSJ3. In the anime, Kid Trunks says that Goku was being pressured by Trunks' punches (ev...

In other situations, we see SSJ2 trunks being able to fight Goku SSJ2 (would have to have a base form at a level close to that of Goku), we see Gohan with few hours of training equaling, android 17 defeating Goku SSJ, among others. So all of them suddenly are much stronger than Gotenks SSJ3? Than S...

Youre both being very creative IMO. The point of the last Hit fight was to show they are basically equal rivals. Noone won or lost really. Though technically Goku did since the goal of Hit was to kill Goku. How is this been creative? I pointed out the acts as they played Its in Gokus theme to fight...

Does it really matter though? Even if their spirits disappear They can be brought back with the Super Dragon Balls since they can grant any wish But....nobody is going to do that...lol. lol i meant in the event that the plot wants to bring one of the characters back it wouldn't break continuity sin...

Wait, Freeza got stronger? Goku said that in the position of Freeza, he could not make agreements, but Freeza says that he can get even stronger and he is transformed. Then he says that Goku is curious about his evolution. Did he really get stronger? After that, Goku says that was his weak point. I...

Bro, blame the Super Exciting Guide, which puts SSj2 only at 2x SSj. That's a ridiculously low jump, considering that: SSj2 Gohan > Power Weighted Cell > Full Power Perfect Cell > Powered up Perfect Cell > SSj Goku It's obvious to me that at the time of writing this scene, Gohan's power increase wa...

Nope not at all, Goku, Vegeta and even Gohan are on whole different level Besides this SSJ2 thing is being given too much importance. In DBS SSJ and SSJ2 are one of the same, SSJ2 just being full power so to speak Caulifla reaching SS(2) is not surprising but expected. Cabba should have gotten it as...

I wouldn't say Perfect Cell SS2 tier but i could definitely see their base forms being at least as powerful as Perfect Cell Goku and Vegeta base forms are much stronger than they were in majin arc, Piccolo is also much stronger than before I couldn't see them being nearly as high as that. It's stil...

Soul Breaker wrote: Yea, no. he was talking about Golden form and how he achieved it. That being said, I always thought it was physically possible if Goku can SSB.

I dont understand what you are saying and how it relates to my post

I hope so, the way Freeza implied Goku was curious about his next evolution, did he mean Golden or something else? I cant help but fear for the worst, i think they are taking us for stupid and pretending Golden Freeza didnt happen before and treating it like a new thing A new form or even perfected ...

Are you asking if the Universe 6 Base Saiyans stronger are stronger than SSJ2 Gohan and Super Perfect Cell? If so then I would say no. Going by the manga they're definitely not. Cabba was for the most part as strong as Vegeta who was at least stronger than his Buu Arc self. Caulifla is stronger tha...