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by Ripper 30
Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:33 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Shouldn't Trunks' 2nd trip in main timeline after 3 years to help Z fighters fight androids create another alternate TL
Replies: 2
Views: 178

Shouldn't Trunks' 2nd trip in main timeline after 3 years to help Z fighters fight androids create another alternate TL

Trunks first trip resulted in him killing Freeza in place of Goku and changing history, then he came back to same timeline 3 years later to help them fight androids so shouldn't that have created another alternative timeline due to second visit in the same timeline?
by Ripper 30
Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:49 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Does Dragon Ball Time Machine make no sense for tangential motion instead of Linear motion?
Replies: 0
Views: 132

Does Dragon Ball Time Machine make no sense for tangential motion instead of Linear motion?

This isn't about Timelines but movement of Time Machine since it's supposed to have a linear movement in time yet Trunks who was killed by Cell in his second trip into past doesn't go to into his actual past but the altered one where he took some solution to beat androids perhaps the detonator befor...
by Ripper 30
Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:05 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

It doesn't matter if the earrings create a powerful being. The power of uniting the bodies and keeping them united comes from them, so it's against them that Shenlong is fighting against when it spearates the individual, not against the individual formed by them. The androids aren't fully androids ...
by Ripper 30
Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:13 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

In one case, the DBs are clashing against the Potaras, the artifact, whereas in the other one they are clashing against the androids. Nuff said. This is wrong, in one case they aren't clashing with Potara but fused being created by Potara which is known for fusing beings permanently while other is ...
by Ripper 30
Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:01 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

Removing their bomb doesn't change the essence of the androids. The bomb is just something extra added to them, while they being robots is something already intrinsic to them. The Potaras hold power in a sense that it powers up the fusees beyond belief, but that's still different from a simple bein...
by Ripper 30
Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:44 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

That makes no sense especially when he was easily able to remove her bomb which would require a scientist of Gero's level considering how much trouble Brief had in understanding android 16's anatomy and remove his bomb, it proves that if the power doesn't surpass his he can revert their body to old...
by Ripper 30
Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:11 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

The fact of the matter is that Shenron can defuse merged beings and it is not beyond his power to do so no matter how much one might believe it qualifies as being that. At no point have any of the Dragons been stated or implied to be unable to affect the act of fusion itself, regardless of how powe...
by Ripper 30
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:16 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

C-17 and C-18 most likely didn't WANT to turn back to normal humans. See how he had no issues removing the bombs they quite obviously didn't want. Likewise, he couldn't teleport Goku only because Goku REFUSED, not just because he was stronger. Hell, if being stronger than the dragon was enough to m...
by Ripper 30
Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:09 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

C-17 and C-18 most likely didn't WANT to turn back to normal humans. See how he had no issues removing the bombs they quite obviously didn't want. Likewise, he couldn't teleport Goku only because Goku REFUSED, not just because he was stronger. Hell, if being stronger than the dragon was enough to m...
by Ripper 30
Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:37 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

The dragon can't do stuff to stronger people *without* their consent, like teleporting Goku home from Yardrat. Obviously the implication which you shouldn't need spelled out is that the dragon can do stuff to stronger people *with* their consent, (as long as it's not outside his understanding like ...
by Ripper 30
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:57 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

Again, it was a short fight in manga, there's no implication that it was 1 hour long. Also, he defused only after taking out barrier which means time had no role in it. Also, old Kaioshin being unreliable isn't right reason too. He said he has been watching it for generations and even told Goku to ...
by Ripper 30
Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:44 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

Not really, he was right. Goku and Vegeta defused due to Boo's body reacting to Potara. Nope. In DBZ it was just a hypothesis of Goku, and STILL it invalided Old Kai's claim of eternal merging. Super later did explain it was the time-limit on Potara merging for Mortals. Think about it, why was Meta...
by Ripper 30
Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:53 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

Not true. He has been watching over generations for millions of years and he even told Goku to fuse without turning ssj since it can put strain on body and decrease his lifespan. It means he knows about what happens to mortals. The rule about not granting wishes surpassing the creator still is same...
by Ripper 30
Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:09 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

The thing is Potara is eternal and according to Old Kaioshin doesn't have weaknesses and that's why no one can return back. Old Kaiohshin is also utterly unreliable as knowledge source. Most likely it's just a matter of the being affected wanting\letting it happen. And\or Polunga having less limita...
by Ripper 30
Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:01 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

Again, that "will" part is wrong and added by viz. In Japanese version he says "I cannot do that. The power of androids surpass mine. For this reason I can't revert them to their original self" Restoring Goku's energy, making one immortal or young doesn't break their body or modify them. With break...
by Ripper 30
Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:10 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

Didn't Kibito and Shin desire to revert back to their separate states? It wouldn't surprise me Porunga somehow acknowledged their sentiment and was allowed to defuse them. For me, a better question along these lines would be how Porunga was able to teleport Vegeta from Namek to Earth when he couldn...
by Ripper 30
Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:59 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 45
Views: 1796

Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

I think Porunga defusing Kibito-Kaioshin back to how they were originally is a plothole. As we know, Dragons can't grant wish surpassing their creators. In Cell arc, after the Cell games, when Kuririn asked Shen long to revert Android 18 and 17 back to humans, he said he can't due to their power sur...
by Ripper 30
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:46 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 17629

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

Can you give me a quote where Toriyama wrote characters calling final forms Strongest? Because Says the same "oh he's shrunk lol" line for Perfect Cell too and Kuririn said same about Freeza Final form. This is another issue with your arguments. You recognize that Toriyama reuses similar narrative ...
by Ripper 30
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:47 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 17629

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

Because Vegeta stated that all of earth was going to take responsibility of saving itself this time. The story is clear. That line is before Vegeta's and the verb here is they needed to fight whereas with Piccolo-Boo he said even Gohan can beat him alone. Potara were strictly recommended by Elder K...
by Ripper 30
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:35 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 17629

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

We know Goku meant Gohan and Gotenks fighting in general. "They" is for general purposes not both at the same time. That's you adding that in there. Especially when we know Super Buu was stronger than Goku and Gohan is stronger than Super Buu. So why is Gohan not summoned instantly to kill Boo? Gok...