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by Ripper 30
Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:37 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 20
Views: 389

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

The dragon can't do stuff to stronger people *without* their consent, like teleporting Goku home from Yardrat. Obviously the implication which you shouldn't need spelled out is that the dragon can do stuff to stronger people *with* their consent, (as long as it's not outside his understanding like ...
by Ripper 30
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:57 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 20
Views: 389

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

Again, it was a short fight in manga, there's no implication that it was 1 hour long. Also, he defused only after taking out barrier which means time had no role in it. Also, old Kaioshin being unreliable isn't right reason too. He said he has been watching it for generations and even told Goku to ...
by Ripper 30
Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:44 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 20
Views: 389

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

Not really, he was right. Goku and Vegeta defused due to Boo's body reacting to Potara. Nope. In DBZ it was just a hypothesis of Goku, and STILL it invalided Old Kai's claim of eternal merging. Super later did explain it was the time-limit on Potara merging for Mortals. Think about it, why was Meta...
by Ripper 30
Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:53 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 20
Views: 389

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

Not true. He has been watching over generations for millions of years and he even told Goku to fuse without turning ssj since it can put strain on body and decrease his lifespan. It means he knows about what happens to mortals. The rule about not granting wishes surpassing the creator still is same...
by Ripper 30
Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:09 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 20
Views: 389

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

The thing is Potara is eternal and according to Old Kaioshin doesn't have weaknesses and that's why no one can return back. Old Kaiohshin is also utterly unreliable as knowledge source. Most likely it's just a matter of the being affected wanting\letting it happen. And\or Polunga having less limita...
by Ripper 30
Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:01 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 20
Views: 389

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

Again, that "will" part is wrong and added by viz. In Japanese version he says "I cannot do that. The power of androids surpass mine. For this reason I can't revert them to their original self" Restoring Goku's energy, making one immortal or young doesn't break their body or modify them. With break...
by Ripper 30
Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:10 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 20
Views: 389

Re: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

Didn't Kibito and Shin desire to revert back to their separate states? It wouldn't surprise me Porunga somehow acknowledged their sentiment and was allowed to defuse them. For me, a better question along these lines would be how Porunga was able to teleport Vegeta from Namek to Earth when he couldn...
by Ripper 30
Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:59 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2
Replies: 20
Views: 389

Porunga shouldn't have been able to defuse Kibito-Kaioshin into 2

I think Porunga defusing Kibito-Kaioshin back to how they were originally is a plothole. As we know, Dragons can't grant wish surpassing their creators. In Cell arc, after the Cell games, when Kuririn asked Shen long to revert Android 18 and 17 back to humans, he said he can't due to their power sur...
by Ripper 30
Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:46 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

Can you give me a quote where Toriyama wrote characters calling final forms Strongest? Because Says the same "oh he's shrunk lol" line for Perfect Cell too and Kuririn said same about Freeza Final form. This is another issue with your arguments. You recognize that Toriyama reuses similar narrative ...
by Ripper 30
Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:47 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

Because Vegeta stated that all of earth was going to take responsibility of saving itself this time. The story is clear. That line is before Vegeta's and the verb here is they needed to fight whereas with Piccolo-Boo he said even Gohan can beat him alone. Potara were strictly recommended by Elder K...
by Ripper 30
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:35 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

We know Goku meant Gohan and Gotenks fighting in general. "They" is for general purposes not both at the same time. That's you adding that in there. Especially when we know Super Buu was stronger than Goku and Gohan is stronger than Super Buu. So why is Gohan not summoned instantly to kill Boo? Gok...
by Ripper 30
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

We know Goku meant Gohan and Gotenks fighting in general. "They" is for general purposes not both at the same time. That's you adding that in there. Especially when we know Super Buu was stronger than Goku and Gohan is stronger than Super Buu. So why is Gohan not summoned instantly to kill Boo? Gok...
by Ripper 30
Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:08 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

In his dreams, he's stronger. Goku wanted none of Super Boo but all of Pure Boo to himself. He wanted so much of Pure Boo that he was trying to avoid him and willing to sacrifice the planets so that he can come up with the strategy to beat him. You totally need strategy to beat someone who you can ...
by Ripper 30
Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:26 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

To sum up your theory: Kid Buu is stronger than Gohan [Mystic] because you assume Goku meant Vegeta brought back Gohan and Gotenks to fight Kid Buu at the same time . Including a Genki Dama struggling to kill Kid Buu even with Gohans and everyone else Genki to their limits? Your entire post is conj...
by Ripper 30
Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:25 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

Are you seriously denying evidences over Someone's opinion? You might as well tag Herms to debate for you since you don't know much. Herms in his video with Geekdom said it's not clear and either can be stronger :lol: I don't know if you missed the first part of my response but I said I used to hav...
by Ripper 30
Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:54 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

Except it explicitly said Ki. The reason Goten and Trunks don't fuse is same as Why Gohan and Kuririn didn't power up to Maximim before giving Piccolo their Ki on Namek. Gen-Ki literally means Original Ki or current Ki. Google Translate Genki Dama, it says Energy Ball. Manga uses Energy Ball too. W...
by Ripper 30
Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:56 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

I think there is a clear difference between using a technique that gathers the energy of every living thing and asking someone else to fight for you. Using a technique which takes everyone's power right upto their limit shows that they both weren't enough otherwise Goku would have fired it right af...
by Ripper 30
Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:35 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

I agree, also I think people might be forgetting Goku and Vegeta's saiya pride. Chicken out and call their baby boys to save their asses at the very thing they live for while having a fighting chance? it's their turn now and they were up to the task after all. Yet using baby boy's power and begging...
by Ripper 30
Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:42 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

Clearly it takes Ki, Genki is Ki. Type Genki Dama on Google translate and it will translate as Energy Sphere. Genki is energy. Are you sure You are the one who's not misinformed? The term "Genki Dama" is used to make pun on "Denki Gama" Which means Electric Rice Cooker. The name has got nothing to ...
by Ripper 30
Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:56 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan
Replies: 60
Views: 9076

Re: Pure Boo was definitely Stronger than Gohan

Kid Buu isn’t the strongest so no Don’t know why we need multiple threads on this tiresome debate. Unproven debate, either way it's about Him being stronger than Gohan. It's not useless, if you have a point then prove it or ignore this post. Buu saga is just poorly written, fusion saga contradicts ...