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That AND the fact Goku flat out tells Vegeta he wants to end the fight quickly by using his maximum power, a statement that makes no sense if Goku doesn't just use SS3 immediately to smash Vegeta.

3 factually didn't exist when this fight was written.

I agree 100%. The super saiyajin 3 is ...

If he didn't want to contribute to Buu's awakening then he should have beaten Vegeta which we find out he was able to. Vegeta even scolds him for holding back and humiliating him.


That's why I told I was pretending that SSJ3 just doesn't exist, because it was almost like a Deus Ex: something ...

We're not talking about self confidence. I don't know how you got there.

Just because he THINKS he can solve the problem on his own doesn't mean he can, and we have seen a few times where it turns out he can't.

The problem here is self-confidence, not selfishness.

We are still very much ...

Yes, and he it's not only selfish but Dumb to do so, because he is wrong sometimes. Just because he THINKS he can solve the problem on his own doesn't mean he can, and we have seen a few times where it turns out he can't. The argument was that he puts his Friends and earth first. If he did, he ...

How are his initial decisions less important than the conclusion? If his initial decision was to go with Bulmas plan to gather the Dragonballs and find out where Gero is and stop him from creating androids, then that would be putting priority into stopping the problem and protecting the earth ...

Oh, and I've forgot to mention this scene which Goku declares in a good tone that he will defeat Freeza FOR the ones he killed

http://englishfortamils.com/comics/cache/Manga/Dragon%20Ball%20Z/Dragon%20Ball%20Z%20v10/Dragon%20Ball%20Z%20v10-107_795.jpg

(sorry...I'm really not used to forums, then ...

I feel if I was being too "Black and White" about it, I would be saying these actions makes Goku a bad guy. Which I didn't because they don't. I'm just stating what actually happens in the story and what's said in the story. I'm not making anything up. I know he takes responsibility. I know he ...

Goku wanted Gohan to kill Cell because of how dangerous he is. Goku does show remorse as shown when he spared Jeice, Burter and Recoome and even said they should get medical attention.
It's likely that's because after realising that the feeling of using Potara wasn't so bad

How is Semi-Perfect ...

While he does go for the more logical option when his back is against the wall, He is still the cause of the problems because of his desire to fight. He maybe taking responsibility for Vegeta by saying he will beat him next time, but if his Number 1 priority was to keep the earth and his friends ...

Hmm... Actually, along with the original Dragon Ball series, he's way more a traditional hero than a selfish person. Since he always leaves his pride to solve the problem, in other words, he's aware that the priority is solving the problem.
Of course he always tries to conciliate that, the desire ...

Goku is an incredibly flawed and unconventional character. He's not your standard hero/superhero in the slightest. His characteristics and mannerisms just makes him stand out so much from the usual, generic, two dimensional shonen manga/anime protagonists we see these days. And I love him for that ...

Well, because of Super a lot of people will start to think that Goku is just a goofy guy that get a boner when someone talks about fighting.

ekrolo2 wrote: At most, he seems to have other priorities besides getting a fighting boner.

Like Goku is in the major part of the whole Dragon Ball. :v

Yes, and that's exactly why GT Goku is boring. They turned him into a serious, righteous avenger against evil. That's boring. When I Watch SS4 Goku I feel like I'm watching a generic superhero character, like "Captain Monkey: The Red-furred Revenger". That's not the Goku I know and love.

Wrong ...

Which is more than I can say for DB GT at least. That show made Goku bland and boring, and every storyline was a wholesale rip-off of previous DB storylines. God that show is a draaaaaaaaaaaaag. :P

What? DBGT made Goku bland and boring? His kid form is definitely stupid but when he is in super ...

I read the whole manga collection every year.
Sometimes I start reading along the year, and sometimes I just read one volume per day during the vacations time.

Toei Goku is the same character of the original Gok from the manga.
The fillers just emphasize some of his characteristics, but it's still his original characteristics.

(This is an old post, but I don't really know if I can comment, if it couldn't, so please just warn me and then I'll try to ...

The characters have huge arcs, that usually long for 2 or 3 sagas.
While the story is simple and not the big deal. In the end, what every story arc shows are conflicts getting started or concluded.

I would say that'd be both, but the characters are the essence of Dragon Ball. So, I guess it's ...

Nay, definitely.

I don't even need to extend myself about it. It's simples, the appeal of Dragon Ball is the characters and the fights.
If every character is ruined, flanderized, without any development, and the fights are just awful, then you have one of the worst anime ever made.

But Super ...

Sorry, but the tournment was good. I think that was even better than Black's arc. Actually I think that, until now, it was the best arc in Super.

Black was enjoyable until that Spirit Sword stuff Trunks used on Merged Zamasu.


The tournament was mediocre.It resumed to battles, and battles ...