Kanzenshuu

Watch and steal is another word for "ok i well train you", Beerus is just being a tsundere. Unless it takes years as well and is beyond difficult, it's still going to be cheap and devalued. We went from Vegeta near crippling himself in 400x gravity for SS1 and 2 to this. If its so good, i...

Yeah, its a simple question. If what Beerus says is true, why has no god of destruction ever surpassed their own angel? I don't like how easy this technique or form is being given to Vegeta. Watch and steal? That's not going to feel prestigious at all. Comes across like any Z fighter could have don...

Yeah, its a simple question. If what Beerus says is true, why has no god of destruction ever surpassed their own angel? I don't like how easy this technique or form is being given to Vegeta. Watch and steal? That's not going to feel prestigious at all. Comes across like any Z fighter could have done...

I like this direction, as there's no need to have both main characters be copies of one another. It also means we can have more interesting team ups with them, as each can make up what the other lacks. The ending of the Moro arc was great for this very reason, Vegeta lacked the physical power to fi...

How is Vegeta still worse at emptying his mind than Mr Popo, after 4 years of Angel training and months of Spirit control meditation? It's insane how little he progresses. Its why I'm so shocked it took him this long to realize this wasn't working. Only when he saw Goku got it. And is only now hopin...

This time they overplayed their hand when it comes to the teasing. Vegeta rivalling Goku from an inferior mentor with 1/20th of the training is obviously not happening. :lol: Its like with the Yardrat training. I was telling the people who were all hyped up, "Do you really expect him to rival ...

This topic is kinda overlapping with the other one, but I'd say that whatever Vegeta ends up with, it is probably likelier to end up complementing what Goku achieves rather than really challenging it, even though that's Vegeta's intention. And I'm interested to see in what way that might be the cas...

Yeah, but his stated goal is to surpass Goku, so it don't make sense, does it. Why doesn't it suit him again? They've shown UI Omen isn't blank faced and mindless anymore. They had Vegeta calm and balance his mind with spirit control meditation. He polished it more than Goku's. Beerus can use UI for...

This entire motivation for Vegeta literally only works if angels and GoD's are comparable. It doesn't work if gods of destr are fodder to angels. Why would Vegeta model himself off fodder to angels when Goku's modelling himself off angels when the goals to surpass Goku? Makes no sense. When Vegeta l...

This time they overplayed their hand when it comes to the teasing. Vegeta rivalling Goku from an inferior mentor with 1/20th of the training is obviously not happening. :lol: Its like with the Yardrat training. I was telling the people who were all hyped up, "Do you really expect him to rival G...

This is essentially a random afterthought consolation handwave for the UI rejects. A quick way of powering up Vegeta so he can do his usual hype then job role. Goku's UI is the culmination of his entire life's teachings. Vegeta's whatever will be a hastily thrown together thing that will be mostly ...

This is essentially a random afterthought consolation handwave for the UI rejects. A quick way of powering up Vegeta so he can do his usual hype then job role. Goku's UI is the culmination of his entire life's teachings. Vegeta's whatever will be a hastily thrown together thing that will be mostly ...

This is essentially a random afterthought consolation handwave for the UI rejects. A quick way of powering up Vegeta so he can do his usual hype then job role. Goku's UI is the culmination of his entire life's teachings. Vegeta's whatever will be a hastily thrown together thing that will be mostly t...

Going down exactly the same paths as Goku has only ever landed Vegeta in second place. Goku joined Vegeta's path. Training with Whis was Vegeta's idea. So because Goku got UI first, its his path now? And Vegeta just has to leave? That's sad. "I joined you on your path and because I did better ...

I also don’t see how there was anything childish about not wanting UI. He just came to the epiphany that it wouldn’t suit him and Whis agreed. I didn't say there was anything childish about not wanting UI. I said it was childish that he didn't want it just because Goku got it. Before Goku transform...

My problem isn't that Vegeta thinks UI isn't for him, its that he only started to think that once Goku got it. Before that, he was willing to train with Whis for it. Which is extremely childish for a 50 year old man. Its like if you wanted to be Goku's second, this would be the way to go about it. I...

Vegeta had already given up on Ultra Instinct all the way back in the Tournament of Power. That was (essentially) three arcs ago. He has developed his own evolution of Super Saiyan Blue taking the progress he has acquired while training under Whis (the successive mastery improvements of Super Saiya...

Whats blatantly inconsistent is that in RoF, Whis says UI will take a long time, and that Vegeta will have a harder time learning it. Whis still decides to train Vegeta for UI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exg0thyJSDU Vegeta accepts all of this as he trains with Whis anyway. He didn't say "I...

An actual person wouldn't throw away 4 years of work toward UI for some unknown method he vaguely hopes becomes apparent. He's acting like he knows he has a writer. It way too late in the game to bring up the idea that he has a problem learning what Goku learns, or learning where Goku learned. The w...

It was as I thought and said. They were never going to be able to top Goku vs Kefla, and what a shock, they couldn't. I was falling asleep during MUI vs Jiren because we've seen it done better in the very same tournament. :yawn: Giving Goku all that at the end was redundant and overindulgent. Didn'...