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The anime clearly has Super Saiyan Rose as a different multiplier. Base Goku Black had power surpassing Super Saiyan God and upon obtaining Rose, he wasn't drastically above the Blue Saiyans. In fact, even the manga seems to have Base Goku Black considerably stronger than the Base Saiyans. I would ...

It doesn't make sense, but Toriyama doesn't care about that. Realistically, Raditz shouldn't really have been a threat since he never really risked his life and was ultimately a coward - someone like that would make a poor warrior, which he was when we revisit his battle with Goku and Piccolo. Saiya...

ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:52 pm Anime Jiren is a (usually)silent dick who fights for justice... Or at least to beat up evildoers.

That's... pretty accurate. Hopefully he got better after the ToP.

QuakingStar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:17 pm Nah doesn't matter what your opinions on it are. Vegeta was never once using his full power against Cabba. He never needed to.

I mean, Vegeta did go SSB against Cabba. So he did use his full power against him at one point.

After seeing Vegeta's SS2 surpass SS3 Goku even though their base forms were pretty much the same, I have no issues with Vegeta being way stronger as a SS than a brand new SS, while being even in base. That's a fair point. No reason why the SS forms themselves can't get honed and more formidable. W...

I'm just gonna say that most people here are correct about Super being widly inconsistent since it traded hands so often... But as far as consistency in character portrayal goes, to me, it's not like the manga did any better. So overall I prefer the anime, I don't think it was a "good" ani...

I'm really not a manga enjoyer, but I did appreciate a few things here and there. 1. Goku fighting in SSG to the end against Beerus. 2. The lack of devalue put into SSB's back - although at Hit's expense, unfortunately. 3. The SSG-SSB switcharoo. 4. Merus as a character. 5. Jiren as a character. 6. ...

Should be the same as Super Vegito. Back then that rival boost thing was in play, so I guess he is performing somewhat below Super Vegito. Still, enough to destroy Buuhan -maybe without much leeway or playing around- and Super Buu, as well. The reason Gogeta is an equal trump card to Vegetto nowada...

They went from weaker than 120,000,000 in base, to around Buuhan tier when facing Frieza in Resurrection 'F' at their base forms, and from there on, went to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for 3 whole years (!) just to be able to fight Team Universe 6; unless you want to tell me that by training for 3 ...

Goku used lower forms at the start of the Gas fight because he was trying to use UI in them, I think Gogeta would not stay in base for more than a second just like Vegito in the black arc going straight to blue. If he dicked around first I feel like it would be in God not ss1 Goku also went through...

Could Gogeta have beaten Broly with Super Saiyan 3 alone? The fact that Gogeta went from SS1, all the way to SSB(bypassing SS2, SS3, and SSG), suggests that FPSS Broly was operating at a level that Gogeta didn't think any of his other forms could handle. But this is why the whole movie had stupid T...

FPSSJ4_Goku wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:17 pm Could Gogeta have beaten Broly with Super Saiyan 3 alone?

If he could, he would have done so, I think. He skipped even God and went straight to Blue. The jump in power from Broly's SS to FPSS was really that massive.

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Apparently it's part of the anime guide for the Tournament of Power.

The only thing I want from manga in modern games etc. is Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2 Goku Black. Manga isn't that fun for me (it was at first, I was defending it, but after Goku Black Arc it became terrible). Stuff with Bardock was nice, but the rest isn't much interesting so I'm not sad it's s...

Why does Gohan perform better in Ultimate than in Super Saiyan against the Gammas, then? The Elder Kaioshin said it best: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720811831010000999/1017184643159695360/unknown.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720811831010000999/1017184563027525824/unknow...

They better dismiss this while they're ahead. I don't need a "Super Saiyan Green" in my life. LSSJ/Berserker is basically SSJ Green :P . It might depend on the artist because I remember it sometimes had only a green tint and sometimes completely green. It was supposed to be just a green t...

Seriously disappointed they still hadn't the Glass-Hearts interaction after his arc.

So I just noticed SSJB Vegeta never fought SSJR Black in the manga at full power, Pre Rosat. He only got to fight SSJ Black, who apparently was just close enough to outlast him in terms of stamina and still get hurt enough to warrant another Zenkai. So how strong is SSJR Black supposed to be? Still...

Shin's power was dismissed from the get go due to its unusability according to Dabura. The reasons for his inclusion within the group that was to be kept alive were personal in nature to Babidi; he wanted to be the one to kill Kaioshin. Yes, exactly. Babidi personally tells Dabura to lay off Shin s...

I was under the impression that Goku's Susanoo was going to be explained in the last chapter(or how it was activated), or that an out of universe explanation was going to be given. I assume by now nobody knows officially what it is? It is supposed to be the scope of the silver UI form. Did I get at...