Kanzenshuu

1) Base Form Kid Trunks (25th Budokai) vs. 20X Kaioken Son Goku (Against Frieza). 2) Base Form Son Goten (25th Budokai) vs. 50% Final Form Frieza (Frieza Saga). 3) Android 18 (Androids Saga) vs. Android 18 (25th Budokai). 4) Super Saiyan 3 Son Goku (Majin Buu Saga), Super Saiyan 2 Majin Vegeta, Sup...

So it is revealed that Super Full Power Saiyan 4 has an advancement transformation that is a limit breaking form too. Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Broken. The name needs work imo but the form looks cool af to me and apparerently is super powerful as they are filled to the brim with Ki and "...

ZombieVito wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:04 pm How strong is MUI is suppose to be over Omen?

I never expected Omen to return so I never thought about this and I just put it on the ToP very close to MUI.

Imo is x2 in the manga and x5 in the anime

Is really hard to know how strong Piccolo is right now, is he ss3 tier? ssg? low ssb? could he really match 17? Even though moro was toying with everyone Piccolo performed better than 17. Piccolo Is undeniably low ssb tier now. Who says he isn't need do re-read everything Current ssb Goku>>gohan>pi...

And no, 18 definitely wasn't stronger than ssj Goten and trunks. Not in the slightest. They scare her by shooting a suppressed SUPPRESSED ssj blast, implying that ssj kids>>18 I think that's the wrong conclusion to draw from that. Despite the tough persona she puts on, she has a husband and daughte...

Goku's kaioken aura gets bigger after he and Kelfa fight a bit, why wouldn't he be using KKx20 against the strongest opponent since Jiren. Sign gets stronger because Goku gets stronger after he uses it. Multipliers don't exit in Super but Sign is a major power up over base Blue. If multipliers does...

Bingo Goku simply got overall stronger in the TOP, the fact that a weakened SSJB Goku can hold his own against SSJ Kelfa who rivals the spirit bomb shows how much Goku has gotten stronger, which shouldn't be surprising cause he went toe to toe with Jiren in episode 122/123 who surpassed the spirit ...

Yeah, but first berserker activates and what happens? She's still ssj technically, and whis compares her to genkidama. Then she goes ssj2 and gets compared to omen 1 So yeah it's a bit different Ssj2 berserker>=omen 1>ssj berserker≥genkidama >>ssbkk20>ssj>ssb>base>god And I'd say, nothing tells us ...

SSJ Kefla was fighting KKx20 Blue and later she needs to go ssj2 to fight Sign. That's right at a 50x multiplier. Ultra Instinct arguably shouldn't even be stronger than Sign as Goku is simply learning to attack at the UI level. A 2x boost works for silver. Yeah, but first berserker activates and w...

SSJ Kefla was fighting KKx20 Blue and later she needs to go ssj2 to fight Sign. That's right at a 50x multiplier. Ultra Instinct arguably shouldn't even be stronger than Sign as Goku is simply learning to attack at the UI level. A 2x boost works for silver. Yeah, but first berserker activates and w...

I am going by what the series is showing Omen isn't anywhere near as strong as people want it to be, Kefla and 127 Jiren proves this, Jiren in episode 127 did beat x 20 Goku, evolution blue and 17 but that's 40+ x of blue level (17 is weaker then blue Goku and Vegeta based on his performance agains...

Goten and Trunks go SSJ to fight 18. https://i.imgur.com/qXdcs4x.png Also, Metamoran was retconned to be just like Potara so it was changed. The 20Xweaker person isn't confirmed but I personally think it works. Gotenks base being greater than the boys SSJ is fair but I think it's fine if he isn't. ...

Omen is less then 50 x difference from Blue since it didn't have a bigger multiplier then Kefla MUI being over 10 x of that is pure wank based on his performance against Jiren in comparison to what other forms of SSJ vs higher forms can accomplish. UI is no where near fusion level, specifically whe...

Well DBS Broly completely changes Metamoran fusion. Base Gotenks has no real feats or anything. His base being stronger than Frieza and King Cold I think is enough to be impressive seeing as no one elses base in the Buu saga was. At least IMO Well, the result changes with the parts so we can say th...

For me, I would say Gogeta would need SSJ3 to win but with it, he stomps. SSJ2 could fight back against Buutenks but SSJ3 is needed to finish the fight. As I said though, Gogeta would win comfortably Buutenks for me equals like 155B I like Metamoran fusion being 20X weakest person. So my Gogeta wou...

For me, I would say Gogeta would need SSJ3 to win but with it, he stomps. SSJ2 could fight back against Buutenks but SSJ3 is needed to finish the fight. As I said though, Gogeta would win comfortably Buutenks for me equals like 155B I like Metamoran fusion being 20X weakest person. So my Gogeta wou...

How strong do you guys have Super Buu? I'm making my Buu Saga power levels, and I don't know if I should have him and Gotenks at like 2x SSJ3 Goku or at like 8x. Well, for the mess that Buu saga is, I think pretty much everything can be ok. Just put ssj gotenks (post rosat)>ssj2 Goku then continue ...

Is Buu Saga SSJ2 Gohan still even more powerful than SPC, even? No because he doesn't know how to use rage. Gohan got so catastrophically stronger at the Cell games because of his exponential rage power. We are talking about gohan, one that if he gets angry enough he can become up to 1307 times str...

dario03 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:43 pm Do you guys think Buu saga but pre-majin Vegeta was stronger than SPC or CG SS2 Gohan?

Yes he was. He flat out states that he is.
He says multiple times to have surpassed that gohan

Yes they are ever so slightly stronger, but close enough that Piccolo doesn't mention a distinction. So if Gohan is 100, they are like 101-110. Seems too small of a gap. I'd easily say they are 125 if gohan is 100. Tbh, I have an 80/60 gap between them so it is more like a x1,3 That's too large for...