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by Loputousu
Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:44 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

He was clowned by base Goku at the ToP though. I wouldn't put them close. She isn't stronger than base Goku. Base Goku > Base Gohan [ToP] ~ Piccolo > 18. We don't know how 18 is compared to SS3 Gotenks though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQu7wRmMQX0 18 lifted an opponent that Base Goku couldn't...
by Loputousu
Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:54 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Well he seemed like he was very close to Base Goku. Not quite at his level but close enough that he should be above Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks as well. Which would put him far above the likes of Basil and Lavender. Not sure if that's the intention though. In the manga he was weaker than Piccolo and Fro...
by Loputousu
Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

How on earth do you guys explain Android 18 >> Base Goku and Base Goku >>>>> SS3 Gotenks without the two base and retcon theories? The manga DID confirm the two base theory as canon in a sense, since in the anime Goku was alleged to have SBG instead of SSG. It got retconned to SSG because of the man...
by Loputousu
Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:22 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The one that really pushed a lot of people onto this "retconned" or "two base" theory more but I suppose at least since then we know the latter isn't true. According to the retcon theory, the two base theory was true up until the Tournament of Power, at which point it was retconned. So no, we know ...
by Loputousu
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: In terms of pure potential, this is my scale for the following Saiyans
Replies: 16
Views: 3872

Re: In terms of pure potential, this is my scale for the following Saiyans

Broly's not above Jiren. Jiren was cleanly above Beerus even in his full power form while Broly at his best is only "possibly" stronger than Beerus.
by Loputousu
Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:25 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

First, we would have to consider Vegettto / Gogeta> MUI, and we have no statement to compare the power of the two. It's likely that MUI is much stronger than fusion, given that Vegito (in the anime) was stronger than, but not that much stronger than, Merged Zamasu, who Beerus thought he could easil...
by Loputousu
Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:05 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It's pretty clear that Jiren is on another level from Broly. We know that Full Power Jiren is on a different level from the Hakaishin, and Broly is only possibly stronger than Beerus. And Limit Breaker Jiren is far more powerful than even that. Keep in mind Jiren forced Goku to use Ultra Instinct, b...
by Loputousu
Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:04 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread
Replies: 74779
Views: 5274117

Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

Soooooooo we've seen characters lose a huge chunk of their stamina when they're beaten up badly throughout the entire series and you're using this as an excuse of bad writing? Okay. It was bad writing back then and it is now. Your argument is flawed. Yeah you're just complaining for the sake of com...
by Loputousu
Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:10 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread
Replies: 74779
Views: 5274117

Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

How the hell is that bad writing? Jiren is injured and far from full power now lol. You're just looking for excuses to whine. Except that's just your headcanon, this episode do not imply that Jiren have lost power, just that Goku was about to defeat him. With all the feats presented by Jiren in thi...
by Loputousu
Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:45 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread
Replies: 74779
Views: 5274117

Re: "Dragon Ball Super" Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

How is that writing atrocious? Having Goku to lost his trump card, while Freeza and #17 (how the hell he survived?) step into the battle thinking they could stand a chance against a fully powered titan like Jiren is stupid as fuck. They expect us to buy that the power of friendship of these worms w...
by Loputousu
Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: How would you improve Jiren's backstory??
Replies: 19
Views: 1549

Re: How would you improve Jiren's backstory??

I'd make it so that Jiren's wife and children were killed by the evil doer instead. I'd also give him his personality from the manga; he's overcompensating for that loss by being overly strong and saving as many lives as possible.
by Loputousu
Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:04 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

What are you guys even complaining about? We know SSB Goku massively holds back. He did against Krillin! Use common sense guys.
by Loputousu
Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:15 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Obviously, Base Copy Vegeta tanking SS3 Gotenks's hits has nothing to do with skill. Base Vegeta just has waaay more raw power than SS3 Gotenks.

We don't see Base Goku tank Caulifla's attacks in this episode.
by Loputousu
Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:42 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Whis also confirms that Goku only has 5 transformations. This along with Shin getting knocked out puts the final nail in the coffin for SbG. Whis also says that some of the GoD shouldn't be standing after the roar. Um, seriously? This is a really horrific argument. We've already known that in the m...
by Loputousu
Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:15 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So are you guys going to finally accept the two base theory after all this evidence in the past few eps?
by Loputousu
Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:49 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

They can't coexist because I just explained why: Saiyan Beyond God (seriously, fuck Heroes) is SSGod power in Base.
There's no point in debating you because for some reason, you refuse to understand that SBG = partial SSG power which also enables transformation to SSB.
by Loputousu
Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:32 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Despite the fact Saiyan Beyond God (fuck Heroes with a molten iron rod in the throat for making this POS) is basically Base = SSGod. The pamphlet info used a few months back by people even cited that Goku & Vegeta in F have Gods power in Base and when they use SS, it turns them into Blue. Given tha...
by Loputousu
Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:01 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Yes, the two base theory where one Base hinges on you having SSGod power in Base when SSGod is a separate form. It's very simple to understand if you can think. SBG = partial SSG power. SSG = full SSG power. Easy peasy. Despite the fact Saiyan Beyond God (fuck Heroes with a molten iron rod in the t...
by Loputousu
Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:16 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 33077
Views: 1957910

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So Base Goku = Final Form Frieza >>> Final Form Frost > Base Vegeta = Base Cabba = Base Goku Obviously, two base theory. You guys need to stop denying it for no reason. Yes, the two base theory where one Base hinges on you having SSGod power in Base when SSGod is a separate form. It's very simple t...