Kanzenshuu

Nothing will ever change my opinion on GT. The first time I tried to watch it I could barely manage to get past 2 episodes, it's just so bland and.. boring. There's not a single episode that I've fully watched without fast-forwarding a few scenes, especially the fights. I started last year, and I've ...

I broght up those random numbers to show that the possibility is consistent with what's stated in the episode. "We have no proof of how much either of them were really using" was my point to you; to specify that 17 was also holding back objectively doesn't bring 17 any closer to Blue tier than ...

17 wasn't portrayed to be more impressive than Gohan, at least in terms of strength, so my point stands.

Except he was, to a certain extent. So again, all they had to do was not make 17 appear stronger than Gohan. I'm not disagreeing that not everything that goes down in a discussion can be ...

It doesn't imply that Toriyama played no role at all, which was my point. There's more than enough room for the possibility of some prior specification for 17's strength with the information provided, and it doesn't particularly matter whether that specification was made through a comparison to ...

Two slightly different assessments posted on Twitter doesn't imply that Toriyama provided no specification whatsoever for 17's strength

It certainly opens up doubt as to the validity of the order and how much role Toriyama actually plays in the formation of his opinion. There's a reason why ...

1. That doesn't logically follow. Power specifications aren't always so specific that they allow for a direct comparison between every character, which was my point in the previous post.

2. A slight difference doesn't mean Toshio doubted his own scaling; if anything, the consistency of that ...

That just means that 17 is at most equal to or somewhat weaker than Gohan. It doesn't necessarily mean that 17's power wasn't specified at all in the outline (or Toriyama's discussions with the production staff) like you're suggesting, since that interpretation is based on absolutely nothing.

If ...

This assumption is baseless; we have no earthly clue what's contained in the original outlines

His opinion on Gohan's strength wasn't changed that drastically. He went from saying he was superior to classifying the two as equal, and they could have been within the same range the whole time with ...

That doesn't really matter. The writers themselves are privy to the power-scaling in the original drafts and dictate how the show's scaling is conveyed to the viewer, so obviously his opinion matters tremendously more than some fan's viewpoint on an internet forum.

It does matter when said ...

That makes his opinion even less credible, not more. It shouldn't hold more weight than the opinion of fans who actually pay attention to the show and analyze what they watch. Just being official says exactly nothing if it wasn't made with accuracy in mind.
You are confusing credibility with ...

Except there's literally 0 evidence for Gohan being stronger than 17

Absolutely false. One of the scenario writers ranked Gohan as stronger than 17 at one point on his own Twitter account. Toppo manhandled both characters simultaneously, and the only real advantage 17 had that Gohan didn't was ...

So according to the cards, Ultimate Gohan is not on the same level as Super Saiyan God Goku. Which means the Universe 6 Namekians wouldn't be either.

Android 17 is not as high as Ultimate Gohan or Kale but appears to be above Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

Would people agree with that? Would anyone dispute ...