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But not a lot of people is ready to admit that, same way as as many people can't still admit that the bog statement from Beerus on base Goku doesn't mean shit, since it gets decontestualized Everytime ignoring previously established things and the fact that the rest of the scene that statement is i...

Gt base Goku>>>ssj3 Buu saga Goku* GT Goku's base form becomes stronger than ssj 3 Buu arc after Baby is defeated. Prior to that he equals it. Becomes stronger than z ssj3 from the get go* He's kid Buu tier already in EP 1, and kid Buu is blatantly>>z ssj3 I'll never get why nobody understands the ...

When was Golden Oozaru equated with fusion, in terms of raw power? There wasn't a direct statement. I calculated their multipliers when I compared the two to Baby Vegeta and found that they were about the same distance from Goku's base forms. (Buu arc) Base Goku Ssj 3 Buu Arc Goku= (GT) Base Goku S...

When was Golden Oozaru equated with fusion, in terms of raw power? There wasn't a direct statement. I calculated their multipliers when I compared the two to Baby Vegeta and found that they were about the same distance from Goku's base forms. (Buu arc) Base Goku Ssj 3 Buu Arc Goku= (GT) Base Goku S...

Ssj/(Saiyan Beyond God)= 50×Base Ssj 2= 100×Base Ssj 3= 400×Base God (without ritual)= 500×Base God (with ritual)<= Blue Blue (SBG×50)= 2,500×Base Golden Oozaru= Over 3,200×Base (Base Form Fusion >= Golden Oozaru) Ssj 4 (10×Golden Oozaru)= Over 32,000×Base Ultra Instinct= Unknown You have GT forms ...

What are you guys multipliers to: SSJ2 SSJ3 Golden Oozaru SSJ4 God Blue Ultra Instinct (?) Base Ssj/(Saiyan Beyond God)= 50×Base Ssj 2= 100×Base Ssj 3= 400×Base God (without ritual)= 500×Base God (with ritual)<= Blue Blue (SBG×50)= 2,500×Base Golden Oozaru= Over 3,200×Base (Base Form Fusion >= Gold...

A fusion that used SSB as the bases of its power source. Fusion uses the highest power of the fusees when it forms. And it's the ritual itself that boosts higher than fusion. No, the highest form they had at the time was MUI. Fusion would've used that as a power source but it doesn't look like Base...

The problem is believing there are no variables and only constants. SSG is weaker than a fusion between fusees WITH god forms SSG is stronger than a fusion between fusees WITHOUT god forms. The variables are the fusees. It wasn't at the start of the fight when they went to that cave and Goku said t...

Yeah, this is the it. Goku was confident as SSG to the point that he even was holding back and having his fun... if that power was below what Super Vegito would've provided, he would've gone all out from the get go... or you know, backtracked and fuse. When was the last time Goku went all out from ...

I do have proof. Goku says Fusion couldn't beat Beerus and thinks SSG could. THAT IS THE END OF THE DEBATE. If Someone says A can't win and B might win, A is weaker than B. A saiyan equal to BoG Goku fusing with another saiyan of similar level would lose to another saiyan of similar level doing the...

I've been telling you there was no official multiplier the closest thing we have is tens of times and dozens of times stronger. He already said Fusion is weaker than God. I can't beat Beerus with fusion then later he thinks he can beat a stronger Beerus with the fate of the world on the line. As I ...

It is stated and shown several times. Goku says Fusion won't beat Beerus and then layer says SSG is a power he couldn't imagine and does think it can beat Beerus. The initial transformation into SSG with the ritual is much higher than fusion. Also fusion doesn't have to be a bigger boost than Blue....

I bring up the ritual because you think fusion has a higher multiplier than God and it only does after the power of the ritual has been preformed. If three people are equal and have ss3, fuse and one does the ritual the SSG will win easily. That was never stated or shown. Ritual ssjg doesn't have a...

1. There is no official fusion multiplier. 2. The fusees are getting stronger making the fusion much stronger. 3. Fusion could be exponents for all we know. The God ritual is a second addition in power to 5he SSG form. If SSG for example was only 2x SS3 the ritual where Goku got the majority of the...

We were speaking about how SSG was achieved, not about its multiplier. Goku's grey hair vs Broly had nothing to do with UI. Other than to tease and drive movie goers wild. Of course it matters Vegito's fight. It's one of the few official fusion appearences we have to go by. Gogeta having a lower mu...

Anime, manga and movie do not treat SSG the same way. That's clear as water. And yes, if nothing is said any further, and Vegeta has the god forms, then yes, the implication in BoG should be taken as what happened. Base Gogeta should not have been above MUI because Goku did NOT have UI at the time ...

I just checked RoF, and there are no mentions of how Vegeta attained those forms. Which is in line with how BoG ended: hinting at Vegeta doing the ritual. You might be thinking of Toei's anime, which is irrelevant when speaking of how the author conceived SSG. Fusion's base form, at least for Goku ...

Vegeta didn't get SSG through training, it's explicited at the end of BoG that Goku will have to help him do the ritual so he gets SSG as well, Goku agrees. The point of saying Vegito won't do was to introduce a new, stronger form, that's also why Goku can't believe the power he has. That's how you...

Fusion doesn't change but the stronger the fusees the stronger the fusion. The God ritual is a huge boost, SSG doesn't have a huge multiplier because Goku absorbed the power of God into himself. Pre God fusion is weaker than the ritual. Post God fusion is stronger because more is being put into the...

Fusion doesn't have a multiplier officially anything you put for it is your guess. I don't have a problem because what makes sense to me is the base power is determined by the highest power of the fusees. The other points have been address by Jack BZ. Even if the base power is determined by the str...