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Speaking of UI. Where does it stack up in the manga?

In the anime it was stated to be a realm of power the hakaishin can't reach. Although since said statement came from Shueisha it should apply to the manga as well should it not?

why is this debate still a thing? Jiren was specifically stated to be above belmod. Actually: https://i.imgur.com/1ygLBc0.jpg "The strongest man in Universe 11, said to have power that exceeds even the Gods of Destruction." So even in the manga Jiren is stronger than all the GoDs and not just Belmod

This question is about the manga, which I will make time to re-read it soon, but I want opinions: Is Manga Jiren stronger than Manga Beerus? does he have any feats to put him above him? they both stomped Perfect Blue Vegeta IIRC, but I don't remember much from the manga, that's why I need to re-vis...

but hearts is just so powerful that Jiren and hit are the same to him Exactly. Same way Base Cumber was so strong SSG Goku and SSBKK Vegito were the same :) Anyways. I just read the latest manga chapter and the bit about Gohan being the strongest on Earth threw me off a bit. iirc Goku said 17 was a...

Using UI at will means it's going to be used as hype fodder for future villains. This also means Beerus will go the way of every "Goku rival" not named Vegeta and become totally irrelevant

iirc an episode guide said Trunks trained with Vegeta before heading back to the future and got stronger. Maybe his SSJ2 form got boosted up to SSB level?

After Broly's insane gains. I wouldn't rule it out

Re-watching the movie it dawned on me; Goku and Vegeta are still nowhere near Beerus despite years of improvement

A simple "He's stronger than anyone I fought" from Goku would've been nice

Promo material isn't enough when promo material tells me UI Goku and LB Jiren would stomp Broly

All this just highlights the monstrous boost Goku gets from UI

If Omen >= Beerus then UI is roughly the equivalent of Goku fusing and stacking Blue on top

Take everything into account and you get: UI Goku > Jiren > Beerus <=> Broly > Jiren < Beerus > UI Goku > Jiren I don't wanna say retcon as I wanna wait for the retellings but I'm leaning that way Also lets be real. That bit about Broly possibly being stronger is complete BS. We all know Beerus is s...

Does this mean SSBKK got retconned or is Toei still gonna use it in their retelling?

Nothing states that Broly was the first to surpass Beerus. Gogeta>Broly>UI Goku>Jiren>Beerus. And there are others with more power as well. Id rather go with whats established now, rather than keep believing something that was wrong. Matter of fact is tha broly was stated to perhaps surpass beerus....

Yeah, if there was any doubt before, this latest trailer should clear all. broly would destroy beerus and jiren By fighting SSB Goku and Vegeta? Statements say he's in their realm but these trailers don't show it He wrecked them in BASE. I rewatched the trailer , when god veget punched him, he wasn...

RecolorSaiyan wrote:Yeah, if there was any doubt before, this latest trailer should clear all. broly would destroy beerus and jiren

By fighting SSB Goku and Vegeta?

Statements say he's in their realm but these trailers don't show it

How far does movie Beerus get in Super?

Golden Frieza
Hit
Goku Black
Halo Zamasu
109 Jiren and SSBKKx20 Goku

With the rumours of Gogeta appearing in the movie, he likely shouldn't be as strong as a Super Saiyan Blue Vegito right? So how strong should an Ultra Instinct Gogeta be? He'll be way stronger. Blue Gogeta will be GoD level since he'll be fighting a GoD level Broly. Vegetto at least in the anime wa...

Fu 1 shotting and casually dodging Kanba

ekrolo2 wrote:

Nevaeh wrote:Goku couldn't sense god ki but could still tell Beerus > Vegetto

Not in the manga he doesn't.

Oh I know

If movie/anime SSG > Vegetto is agreed upon because Goku said so why should Krillin's statement be treated any different?

Goku couldn't sense god ki but could still tell Beerus > Vegetto

Would you say Jiren up to this point has been above Beerus? Or has he surpassed Beerus with this Full Power form that he seems to have at the end of the chapter? This Ultra Instinct Goku probably isn't stronger than Beerus right? On a side note where you would you place Ultimate Gohan in comparison...