Kanzenshuu

Kami states that a God cannot commit suicide. So he can't just off himself here. This is exactly the reason he asks Tenshinhan to do it for him.

And the question isn't if Tenshinhan can kill Kami, the question is, if Kami decides to fight with the humans, how do they fare against Piccolo ...

Damaged Piccolo vs Kami + Humans

This is when everyone thinks Goku is dead. Kami chooses to try to get Tien to kill him rather than fight Piccolo. Piccolo declares himself the King of the World...

This is a severely hurt Piccolo as well. Is Piccolo really multi folds Kami at this point?
Piccolo ...

Damaged Piccolo vs Kami + Humans

This is when everyone thinks Goku is dead. Kami chooses to try to get Tien to kill him rather than fight Piccolo. Piccolo declares himself the King of the World...

This is a severely hurt Piccolo as well. Is Piccolo really multi folds Kami at this point?

How does Dragon Team rank according to Herms? They are really good right?

Episode 5 (9:55)

Beerus- I see. So that’s what you used to defeat Freeza. It looks like you powered up a bit.

Episode 5 (10:59)

Beerus- You’re pretty good. I can see how you managed to defeat Freeza. But if this is all you’ve got, defeating Freeza would probably be the best you are capable of ...

Dragonball Power Levels



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There's really no issues accepting it, not that the movies necessarily have any continuation to them. I mean, Broly never showed up in M12 right, that would have been interesting...

Super Saiyan Vegeta (on Namek) vs Freeza. How does this one go?

I don't agree with that. Kikoho did hardly any damage. Piccolo was not aware of just how strong Nappa was at the time, Piccolo is just starting to see the depths of Nappa's power. Kikoho clearly would have done some insane damage to Piccolo, if not killed him.

2,800 is treated like a real serious ...

How do you feel about Kikoho being 2,400 o 2,500? I think it's a good fit...

That's the issue. The manga depicts 2,800 as the strongest attack, whereas the guidebooks go another route. For me it's clear, guidebooks are great, unless they contradict the manga, in which this case, a clear contradiction has been made.

Super Saiyan Vegeta 1,500
Super Saiyan Goku 1,450
Super Saiyan Trunks 1,300
Metal Cooler 1,250
Piccolo 1,125
Sick Goku 1,000
M5 Goku 900
Yardrat Goku 750
Trunks 600
Shredder Cooler 600
Mecha Freeza 400
Goku Namek 375
Freeza 350
Cooler 300
King Cold 250

Shouldn't be much problem with that. Broly is indeed stronger than Goku, but he doesn't have to be outrageously so. Broly being around the level of Powered Up Fat Buu is an appropriate placement. A level that Goku with some help can handle for sure as he states with the help of Gohan and Vegeta ...

My favorite "What If" is probably Vegeta turning Super Saiyan on Namek. How that all plays out. For me personally, I envision Super Saiyan Vegeta being a step or two behind 70% Freeza and just enjoying all the elements that would go into this. Would Freeza go 50% for a while first, get beat up ...

Masenko to me appeared to be the finisher Piccolo had been planning on. I don't think any other battle power tops 2,800, except for Nappa's of course.

I don't see any issues with the power scaling. The story really is a story of massive bloat. There is no conservative approach here. When he started to get himself in real trouble was the introduction of Kaioken. Having an ability to massively amplify your power is the cause for all of this ...

I think a good standard to go by is to assume the previous arc's top powers are going to be replaced by the following arc's lowest powers. That's usually how it goes.

With the events concluding on Namek, we had the strongest in the universe, Freeza himself, the God Emperor of the universe and the ...

Here's the way I think it works.

1) Goku teaches us that he could not fuse in the afterlife because there wasn't anyone like him there.
2) Goku immediately thinks he and Gohan can fuse and win...

Who are we to go against that really?

This is what we are left with.

1) Metamoran Gokan > Buutenks
2 ...

I don't see how it would at all.

Super Saiyan Gotenks is supposed to be stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku. He goes into the RoSaT and powers up hugely. Then he adds Super Saiyan 2 and 3 on top of that. If we are going off of basic numbers using official multipliers, at minimum, Gotenks should be ...

Guidebooks that don't contradict the manga are all well and good, but I think they do contradict here.

1) Nappa >= Gohan's Masenko = 2,800 > Enraged Gohan > Piccolo >> Tien > Kuririn > Yamcha > Saibamen

2) Kikoho > Scattering Bullet > Piccolo

At least that's what I can see. Gohan is counted on ...

Master Roshi Saga Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTpDZNHybl4&t

Demon King Saga Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJVDTm8wZsM&t





Son Goku & Friends



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