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This makes sense, so we are all in agreement SP Cell wasn't stronger than SSJ2 Gohan even after being hit by the blast that disabled his arm?
Yeah I mean he killed him so it makes sense...

That doesn't mean anything, It could've been the factors of the other Z-Fighters hitting Cell with attacks ...

This makes sense, so we are all in agreement SP Cell wasn't stronger than SSJ2 Gohan even after being hit by the blast that disabled his arm?

I personally have MSSJ at a x60. Stronger than a SSJ but not too strong. Essentially just fixes the stamina issue.

I also believe Mastered SSJ stacks so SSJ2 would be x2 of 60 instead of 50.

SSJ - x50
MSSJ - x60
SSJ2 - x120
SSJ3 - x480

So does anyone think Goku helped at all or was it just motivation from Goku that let Gohan unleash his inner power that he didn't think he had? Did the other Z-fighters make any impact when hitting Cell with their attacks or weren't they a factor? Just trying to understand how an INJURED Gohan could ...

How many times more powerful was SSJ Vegeta during the 25th WMAT compared to his ASSJ Post-1st day ROSAT self? Pre-Majin of course.
I have him at exactly 3 times stronger from Post 1st day ROSAT SSJ grade 2(ASSJ) ---> SSJ Vegeta during 25th WMAT. I assume Vegeta mastered SSJ by then so I gave him ...

You mean when he beefed up he was temporarily forcing his power to the limits? (120 million) I guess that would make sense, also would make sense why his power was diminishing more quickly than if he wasn't forcing or had more stamina for long fights like Goku is accustomed to.

In my honest opinion I think people are making this more confusing than it has to be, I think the Trunks that warns Goku is the same one that returns to help them fight the androids. There are only 3 timelines, future trunks', future cell's, and the story timeline. Both future cell and trunks ...

Thanks for posting the direct quotes, although I thought only in the anime was it a close competition and in the manga it was a one-sided battle or am I wrong? I feel like it's wrong to assume Frieza was able to power up to 100% after tanking the spirit bomb, maybe 100% of what was left in reserves ...

Thanks for the welcome, so you guys agree that 120 million is his max full power and when fighting SSJ Goku he might've been lower than possibly 100 million due to the spirit bomb?

So I've been in many discussions with people over the years about Frieza only losing to Goku because of the spirit bomb. Other people online suggest that Frieza undamaged would be around 200 million. I can see how getting hit by a powerful attack would weaken one's PL but could it really have done ...