Kanzenshuu

Moro considers all energy sources as meals, it was like that with Esca in Namek and it was like that with the Z Fighters on Earth. He saying that Vegeta would be his best meal is a testament that he has the greatest energy Moro has ever encountered. He's not talking about energies that he ate (beca...

I dunno, Piccolo just said it's hard to tell. But after all that training, he MUST have gotten stronger. Heck, his blue form was stated to be "way stronger than last time I saw it". Maybe the gains from said training don't apply to Omen/UI because it's technically a technique and not a generic powe...

Why exactly would Base Gogeta be automatically stronger than SSJBE? We saw that Gogeta was stronger than ordinary SSJB but nothing in the film indicated that he was comparable to or had surpassed SSJBE. Base Gogeta merely dodged all of Broly's attacks and didn't mount an offensive until going SSJ, ...

[...] I remembered that a fusion warriors base is higher than each fusee’s strongest transformation [...] Did I miss something? As far as I remember fusions function as AxB. I mean yeah that’s what the Daiz says and it’s not going against what’s been shown multiple times. It’s been said that Vegito...

There is no such thing as "Blue Evolution", etc. in Toriyama's continuation. Gogeta is SSGSS and just SSGSS. I understand the whole Toriyama’a continuation thing and it wasn’t in the movies script however, if we’re adding it to the lore and canonicity of both mediums, he writes and approves what To...

I was doing my own scaling and originally had Gogeta above Jiren and Broly, having his base form at a low ball be at or slightly higher than ssj blue Goku and Vegeta individually. Then I remembered that a fusion warriors base is higher than each fusee’s strongest transformation and in technicality t...

It's hard to tell because he's unable to sense UI Goku's ki... So he can't make an accurate comparison. I didn’t forget it. It’s just that reading Goku’s ki is not the only way to tell if Goku is stronger. Piccolo can read Jiren’s and Moro’s ki, so he could tell by comparing how Goku fought each on...

Moro hasn't exhibited the most serviceably unorthodox of magical techniques. Much of them can be summed up as ranged energy absorption, telekinesis, a Zanzoken esque illusion, paralysis/immobility (doesn't completely restrain the victim), and fulminous/flame like projectiles. It's nothing we haven'...

We’ll have to wait until next chapter. If Goku can at least hold his own for a short while against a powered up Moro who has transcended the Gods then that would at least put current UI Omen as relative to MUI from the TOP. Really? Because in this very chapter Piccolo says it’s hard to tell if Goku...

Moro hasn't exhibited the most serviceably unorthodox of magical techniques. Much of them can be summed up as ranged energy absorption, telekinesis, a Zanzoken esque illusion, paralysis/immobility (doesn't completely restrain the victim), and fulminous/flame like projectiles. It's nothing we haven'...

Really great action chapter. High speed and high energy with a lot of dynamic angles. Omen is put on display with all of Goku's acrobatic moves. I especially enjoyed the string where Moro pulls Goku toward him, Goku fires back with shockwaves, and then they meet in an intense clash with great expre...

Is this something you think or something that was actually told in the chapter? It’s common sense. Since then, Goku trained, fought against Broly, trained again, fought against (and lost) to Moro (twice). Trained himself to the point of near death over and over again with an Angel in a time chamber...

I’ve just read the whole chapter, and I must say, Moro didn’t look that impressive. At all...! He was very clearly struggling and on the losing end to Ultra Instinct “OMEN” Goku throughout the far end majority of the fight. And only gained the upper hand near the end after he powered up to (what I ...

I’ve just read the whole chapter, and I must say, Moro didn’t look that impressive. At all...! He was very clearly struggling and on the losing end to Ultra Instinct “OMEN” Goku throughout the far end majority of the fight. And only gained the upper hand near the end after he powered up to (what I ...

Exactly. 17 was in Goku's league. This is reinforced by Toriyama, telling TOEI, 17 has such potential, to battle Blue. Goku even reiterates the same feeling in the manga. How 17 is about as strong as them yet doesn't even really train. It is night and day in the Galactic Patrol arc. 17 with help is...

I still don't understand the moro's abilities .. he can absorb energy without a known limit ... unlike the androids, bergamo or yakon ok this can be coherent because it is "magic" but which then we see that Saganbo has a limit on the energy you can receive ... this mean that his limit is above the ...

Exactly. 17 was in Goku's league. This is reinforced by Toriyama, telling TOEI, 17 has such potential, to battle Blue. Goku even reiterates the same feeling in the manga. How 17 is about as strong as them yet doesn't even really train. It is night and day in the Galactic Patrol arc. 17 with help is...

Yes he does, he says “he’s about as strong as us”...here’s the link. "About as strong". He is not as strong. Krillin all but said that Gohan was not as strong as Goku and Gohan is stronger than 17. Did you not see the other part of my post where I said that he’s not even with Goku, but in the same ...

Do you guys think blue evolved Vegeta from the TOP is stronger than current improved blue goku? (In the manga of course) I think new blue Goku should be above that, maybe if he were to fight Jiren again he wouldn't be able to beat him but he wouldn't be a joke to him either? Yeah I want to say the ...

Do you guys think blue evolved Vegeta from the TOP is stronger than current improved blue goku? (In the manga of course)