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by The Undying
Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I don't agree that sacrificing himself for his family is less selfish than atoning for a group of people he'd brutalized in the past, people he has no connection to whatsoever. Oh, I don't disagree at all. Just thought some clarification on the idea of atonement was somewhat necessary here. I'm sur...
by The Undying
Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:02 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Putting the current chapter/arc aside for a moment, I wouldn't say all atonement is selfish. If the final goal is other-directed at all, you're not necessarily thinking about personal relief in that instance (even if personal relief happens to be the result). Vegeta's sacrifice against Boo was emoti...
by The Undying
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:49 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

The Android arc was nothing but Vegeta having to interact with people he hurt and wronged in the past. This only enhances what I said. Cell arc Vegeta casually threatened other characters, had very little regard for human life in general and barely gave a shit about his own son until he was shot th...
by The Undying
Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: DEUteragonist Vegeta served his purpose in fight with Moro, now it is our hero Goku's turn...
Replies: 46
Views: 827

Re: DEUteragonist Vegeta served his purpose in fight with Moro, now it is our hero Goku's turn...

I don't know how anyone can sincerely claim Vegeta isn't the deuteragonist in Super when just about every arc, including Trunks' arc, firmly establishes him in that role. Trunks' role, by the way, wasn't "fixing his own problems". It was learning to have hope even in the most hopeless situations ima...
by The Undying
Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:43 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

But during the fight with Buu, it becomes clear to him that he can't win without making the ultimate sacrifice. That's Vegeta, in real time, trying to remedy a problem he created. I was moreso thinking of "fixing mistakes" specifically in terms of the innocent people Vegeta murdered (a topic addres...
by The Undying
Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What I like about Ultra Instinct is that it has nothing to do with the SSJ God lineage of transformations
Replies: 16
Views: 321

Re: What I like about Ultra Instinct is that it has nothing to do with the SSJ God lineage of transformations

Godly Ki is the source of its strength. That's actually not stated anywhere in the series. It's also refuted by two mediums in modern DB - the Super anime and Battle of Gods film. Goku being able to absorb its strength already demonstrates its strength to be independent of god ki. Super Saiyan God ...
by The Undying
Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:46 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: What I like about Ultra Instinct is that it has nothing to do with the SSJ God lineage of transformations
Replies: 16
Views: 321

Re: What I like about Ultra Instinct is that it has nothing to do with the SSJ God lineage of transformations

I assume being able to use godly ki in the first place may be a prerequisite to this form. Personally, my interpretation is the opposite. It's more that the strength of these transformations, starting with SSG, acts as a prerequisite to unlocking god ki for the Saiyans at their current level. I thi...
by The Undying
Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Compared to how terribly slow the past chapters have progressed and how predictable it all was, I found this chapter quite refreshing. I agree. It's not what I'd describe as a flawless chapter, but I think it's the best one we've had in quite some time. We need more of this and less of whatever was...
by The Undying
Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:41 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is anyone else dissapointed that Vegeta doesn’t get a new transformation?
Replies: 55
Views: 1763

Re: Is anyone else dissapointed that Vegeta doesn’t get a new transformation?

I mean, we're missing what, orange and purple? Yeah, but given how similar those are to other colors, I don't see either of them being introduced. They wouldn't stand out enough visually. I honestly think we're done with hair colors, and maybe even new transformations. Pretty much every major tone ...
by The Undying
Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:29 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: So is this whole Moro arc basically the, "Garlic Jr. saga" of Super?
Replies: 34
Views: 785

Re: So is this whole Moro arc basically the, "Garlic Jr. saga" of Super?

Between all the worldbuilding and expansion of "canon" lore, a new Angel character, that apparently temporary introduction of Grand Supreme Kai, Goku tapping into UI at will, Vegeta learning an anti-fusion move, Vegeta getting more development, and the characters in general reaching new heights, the...
by The Undying
Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I'm sorry, but that's bad writing if that's the case. I'm sorry too, because this is the part where this whole discussion starts to feel disingenuous to me. If you don't think that the narrative itself often serves as a catalyst for how characters react and develop, I really don't know what to tell...
by The Undying
Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Show, don't tell. Tomato, tomahto. It's not even about "showing vs. telling" at this point, it's about whether Vegeta's behavior in this arc has precedence. It does. It exists. You don't have to consistently explore this one aspect of Vegeta's character in every single story arc to acknowledge that...
by The Undying
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

The main problem is we never actually see Vegeta feel he's carrying baggage from his past deeds after the Majin Boo arc or prior to going back on Namek during the Galactic Patrol Prisoner arc. Why exactly is that a problem? Why do we need to see Vegeta carrying baggage in story arcs that have littl...
by The Undying
Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:38 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

this chapter was just a natural progression of that. Not only was it a natural progression of that, it was progression for one of the most introspective and self-reflective characters in the original series. Toriyama wrote him that way, not Toyotaro. Some people just want Vegeta to be someone he's ...
by The Undying
Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:05 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Vegeta has been powerless before to stop an evil, namely Black who killed all of humanity without Vegeta being able to stop and then later Zeno erasing that universe from existence. False equivalence. Vegeta not only failed to stop Black and Zeno, he had no way of fixing things for Trunks' timeline...
by The Undying
Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:18 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Okay let me explain it again since you don’t get despite others here seeing my point. I saw your point the first time. I'm saying it's a weak argument. Moro killing Namekians for the Dragon Balls is significant not just because it reminds Vegeta of his past atrocities, it shoves his own powerlessne...
by The Undying
Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:51 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Not sure how I missed this post from Thursday, but I did: Redemption literally means saving yourself from sin... and that happened for Vegeta. No, that happened for other characters observing Vegeta. You understand that other people believing Vegeta did enough to redeem himself doesn't mean Vegeta t...
by The Undying
Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:19 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Now you're arguing semantic. My guy. You literally just tried to pry apart three completely related aspects of a single parallel between two characters in an attempt to downplay them, despite all three of them distinctly contributing to a specific motive involving a specific action. That is the epi...
by The Undying
Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

They have nothing in common outside of both being evil, wanting Dragon Balls to further their goal, and killing Namekians. "Besides all these things they have in common, they have nothing in common." Gee, it's almost like the best antagonists serve as a catalyst for the protagonist's growth, motiva...
by The Undying
Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33215
Views: 2545407

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Honestly I don’t really think Dragon Ball wins tend to come down to connection and who deserves them. To be clear, I'm open to a number of possibilities when it comes to Moro's defeat. My point is just that this particular possibility wouldn't be out of place - if anyone has a connection to Moro, i...