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It's not the sole factor. It's important but plenty of crappy shows stay on the air. To say otherwise is asinine. And it sucked because you can't get anything more out of the premise of teenager skipping school. A Bueller show doesn't have to just be stories of him skipping school. Regardless, good...

ABED wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:01 pm And yet they're still inherently childish. They're power fantasies at their core.

That's not in question here and there's nothing inherently wrong with something made for adults being inherently childish, silly, or a power fantasy.

DB is simply too inherently childish to “grow” up without looking try hard. People said the same things about superhero comic books back in the early days of the medium, but now here we are, with countless stories and comics made explicitly for adults that do well and bring in more fans than just t...

You can enjoy decent amounts of Dragon Ball Z in a vacuum, but you are fooling yourself if you think you're getting the most out of Dragon Ball's narrative by not needing to take into context what happened prior to the Saiyan arc. You don't have to "get the most" out of the story to still...

That's not what it means. They made a Ferris Beuller TV show in the 90s. Jennifer Aniston played Jeanie. It sucked. It explicitly builds off Dragon Ball in its world, style, and characters. It could, in theory, with a lot of work, be severed from its source, but why do that? But it's so different w...

What is that supposed to mean? :eh: That countless fans of the franchise grew up watching DBZ without having seen DB and it didn't prevent them from being able to enjoy it in the least bit. Likewise, you can ignore Z and end your run of DB after Piccolo's defeat if you were really so inclined (I do...

My bad for not being clearer apparently. I mean that if a story is going to go beyond a single short film, the main character(s) have to be interesting enough to follow for more than one short film with a complete arc. Goku can carry an entire franchise. I wasn't suggesting DB continue or have spin...

WHAT? You got that from what I wrote? Directly where I quoted you to begin with. You straight up said A franchise requires the ability to carry many stories for a lot longer. Dragon Ball is a franchise, and thus in it's attempts to be an indefinitely continuing franchise must "require the abil...

I have NO idea what you're getting at. I meant that for a movie, a character has to hold the audience's attention for a short while. A series requires a character the audience wants to stay with for hours upon hours. I like the Trunks and Bardock TV specials, but they serve their purpose and I don'...

ABED wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:55 pm A franchise requires the ability to carry many stories for a lot longer.

Did you really just say this after arguing to the teeth with me in the other thread that Dragon Ball as a franchise shouldn't change to tell different types of stories if it wants to continue on indefinitely?

I think an general thread for gathering players may work, but I interpreted your request as wanting a sub-forum for such a gathering which would just be a little much. My apologies.

The fact that Toriyama is still involved with Super's production says otherwise. That's hardly "actively taking steps to move it to the next stage" Providing notes with ideas on them and telling the company to expand from there and grooming a successor to carry on the manga side of the fr...

That's not how it works. The artist puts out something they think is interesting and are looking for a likeminded audience. What you're talking about is pandering. Many times, people don't know what they want until they see it. Did any of us know we wanted Breaking Bad? No So just because the show ...

People have pointed out Baby's story is very similar to The Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, and I just told you the first arcs of GT and DB are intentionally very similar. GT is derivative. Baby's story is only similar in that they're about the Tuffle King getting revenge on the Saiyans. Everything ...

That's pure entitlement. Just because you are a fan doesn't mean the stories you enjoy are supposed to cater to you. Any artist puts their work out there and you either like it or you don't, you don't dictate it's direction. It absolutely is entitlement. You feel a work owes it to its fans to never...

GT proves that having crappy fights and derivative stories after a 10 year consistent run will turn away audiences. The world is a very different place than it was when the manga was still going. Is it past its peak, is it more popular? Who knows? Why would anyone care? I have no vested interest in...

Telling your longtime fans that they don't matter because they aren't your target audience anymore is akin to abandoning them... No, no it's not remotely like that. It's telling the audience, the story is the same story it always was. You're welcome to stay with it or move on. It's not leaving them...

Lord Beerus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:04 pm You can ignore Episode Of Bardock and Super Dragon Ball Heroes. But you can't ignore Dragon Ball Minus for one big reason... it's written and drawn independently by the creator of Dragon Ball.

You mean like how you "can't" ignore Dragon Ball when watching DBZ?

You keep saying this but we have proof that it is doing just that even though the story remains about Goku. DB isn't losing steam.. We have proof in the way of history of both this series and other series. Outside shows for educational programs for toddlers, those that don't let themselves grow or ...

As unfortunate as this is, you're right. I do however think Toriyama could be doing more to push the franchise in new directions instead of what we've been getting post BOG. For example, when Toyotaro asked him to write Vegetto into the Black arc because fans would like that, he could've declined a...