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by Zeon_Grunt
Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:57 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Endings
Replies: 155
Views: 1826

Re: Endings

I don't know...maybe because they like the character? The word name brand recognition was used, I don't know how you couldn't put two and two together. That's kind of my point; people didn't just tune in to see the same premise as the film in TV version, they wanted more interesting stories involvi...
by Zeon_Grunt
Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:51 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Unpopular DB opinions
Replies: 12360
Views: 689210

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

That's a very bold claim and I respect that when you decide to be wrong you go balls to the wall with it I'll back track on the Tien statement, because I'm sure there's at least one person who somehow made an emotional bond with him over the course of his arc, but he got sidelined immediately by Ki...
by Zeon_Grunt
Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:36 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Endings
Replies: 155
Views: 1826

Re: Endings

Or, I dunno, it was a popular movie so of course it would gather interest based on name brand recognition and not because there was an actual need or desire to explore Bueller's world and life? The closest we've seen to what you want is Dragon Ball Heroes. Which is hot garbage so... Why tune in to ...
by Zeon_Grunt
Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:05 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Endings
Replies: 155
Views: 1826

Re: Endings

It's called Ferris Beuller's Day Off. <snip> The premise doesn't lend itself more than a single story. Right, but the "Ferris Beuller" part is all that's necessary to make a series of stories in a Ferris Beuller franchise. The fact that the show, despite not being a sequel to the film, got high ini...
by Zeon_Grunt
Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:22 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Unpopular DB opinions
Replies: 12360
Views: 689210

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Context isn't the same as emotional attachment. Yeah, we know what happened before, but we won't feel it since we don't have that experience. Anyone who legit claims they had some deep emotional attachment to Tien and Chiaotzu is flat out lying. Likewise, Yamcha had always been the guy to get his a...
by Zeon_Grunt
Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:19 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: What do you want with Broly?
Replies: 311
Views: 3837

Re: What do you want with Broly?

Nothing, but then you're in the realm of satire and deconstruction, as opposed to superheroes. You realize that satire and deconstruction of a genre or franchise isn't inherently a bad thing, nor does it separate them from their respective genres or franchises, right? Hell, branching into satire an...
by Zeon_Grunt
Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:09 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: What do you want with Broly?
Replies: 311
Views: 3837

Re: What do you want with Broly?

Virtually any premise that leans into the realm of fantasy is inherently silly once you stop to think about it. It's not that it's goofy them dressing up in costume, though that's certainly the case, it's that it paints the world as far more simplistic than it truly is. Oh if only we had some reall...
by Zeon_Grunt
Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:05 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Unpopular DB opinions
Replies: 12360
Views: 689210

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Hard disagree on Yamcha and Chiaotzu's deaths not carrying any emotional weight. Yamcha was involved in Dragon Ball from the beginning chapters, has built a relationship with the main cast, particularly with Bulma, and his death in the Saiyan arc was originally a huge shock. And the anime actually ...
by Zeon_Grunt
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:42 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Unpopular DB opinions
Replies: 12360
Views: 689210

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

I never insinuated that Dragon Ball is a complex or intertwined story. I'm just saying that character and story beats that are the most famous from Dragon Ball Z don't carry a lot of emotional weight when you ignore the foundation that was provided for them in the events that take place before the ...
by Zeon_Grunt
Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:22 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Endings
Replies: 155
Views: 1826

Re: Endings

It's not the sole factor. It's important but plenty of crappy shows stay on the air. To say otherwise is asinine. And it sucked because you can't get anything more out of the premise of teenager skipping school. A Bueller show doesn't have to just be stories of him skipping school. Regardless, good...
by Zeon_Grunt
Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:08 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: What do you want with Broly?
Replies: 311
Views: 3837

Re: What do you want with Broly?

ABED wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:01 pm
And yet they're still inherently childish. They're power fantasies at their core.
That's not in question here and there's nothing inherently wrong with something made for adults being inherently childish, silly, or a power fantasy.
by Zeon_Grunt
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:35 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: What do you want with Broly?
Replies: 311
Views: 3837

Re: What do you want with Broly?

DB is simply too inherently childish to “grow” up without looking try hard. People said the same things about superhero comic books back in the early days of the medium, but now here we are, with countless stories and comics made explicitly for adults that do well and bring in more fans than just t...
by Zeon_Grunt
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:22 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Unpopular DB opinions
Replies: 12360
Views: 689210

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

You can enjoy decent amounts of Dragon Ball Z in a vacuum, but you are fooling yourself if you think you're getting the most out of Dragon Ball's narrative by not needing to take into context what happened prior to the Saiyan arc. You don't have to "get the most" out of the story to still enjoy an ...
by Zeon_Grunt
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:20 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Endings
Replies: 155
Views: 1826

Re: Endings

That's not what it means. They made a Ferris Beuller TV show in the 90s. Jennifer Aniston played Jeanie. It sucked. It explicitly builds off Dragon Ball in its world, style, and characters. It could, in theory, with a lot of work, be severed from its source, but why do that? But it's so different w...
by Zeon_Grunt
Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:18 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Unpopular DB opinions
Replies: 12360
Views: 689210

Re: Unpopular DB opinions

What is that supposed to mean? :eh: That countless fans of the franchise grew up watching DBZ without having seen DB and it didn't prevent them from being able to enjoy it in the least bit. Likewise, you can ignore Z and end your run of DB after Piccolo's defeat if you were really so inclined (I do...
by Zeon_Grunt
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:43 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Endings
Replies: 155
Views: 1826

Re: Endings

My bad for not being clearer apparently. I mean that if a story is going to go beyond a single short film, the main character(s) have to be interesting enough to follow for more than one short film with a complete arc. Goku can carry an entire franchise. I wasn't suggesting DB continue or have spin...
by Zeon_Grunt
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:31 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Endings
Replies: 155
Views: 1826

Re: Endings

WHAT? You got that from what I wrote? Directly where I quoted you to begin with. You straight up said A franchise requires the ability to carry many stories for a lot longer. Dragon Ball is a franchise, and thus in it's attempts to be an indefinitely continuing franchise must "require the ability t...
by Zeon_Grunt
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:23 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Endings
Replies: 155
Views: 1826

Re: Endings

I have NO idea what you're getting at. I meant that for a movie, a character has to hold the audience's attention for a short while. A series requires a character the audience wants to stay with for hours upon hours. I like the Trunks and Bardock TV specials, but they serve their purpose and I don'...
by Zeon_Grunt
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:03 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Endings
Replies: 155
Views: 1826

Re: Endings

ABED wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:55 pm
A franchise requires the ability to carry many stories for a lot longer.
Did you really just say this after arguing to the teeth with me in the other thread that Dragon Ball as a franchise shouldn't change to tell different types of stories if it wants to continue on indefinitely?
by Zeon_Grunt
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:48 pm
Forum: Website & Community Discussion
Topic: PS4 community
Replies: 6
Views: 90

Re: PS4 community

I think an general thread for gathering players may work, but I interpreted your request as wanting a sub-forum for such a gathering which would just be a little much. My apologies.