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The anime also added that moment where Goku gets a vision/pep talk from Vegeta about Saiyan pride, but yeah, I really can’t think of any moment in the manga where Goku or anyone else was shown having to come to terms with him being Saiyan, outside of the initial shock of what Raditz told him. That’...

Did Goku ever really have trouble accepting his heritage? He was pretty open with Kaio about being a Saiyan, and he seemed to attribute his love of fighting to the fact that he’s a Saiyan. iirc (it's been a while) most everyone starts crediting Goku's Saiyan heritage for his more battle hungry trai...

Because his mission was to go to Namek and protect the planet / inhabitants against Moro, and as we saw the Namekians still had suspicions with Vegeta for his past acts and Vegeta knew that the damage done by him had never been repaired, so he was still feeling guilty By why this specific wrong doi...

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Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:15 pm

And after that he never had a chance to face the Namekians again, so it makes sense to me that he still feels guilty for what he did, considering that the Namekians don't have a good impression of him and he never apologized

Why would Vegeta care how people see him?

Plenty of Shonen stories do it too. Shonen isn't a genre, it's a demographic. I like ensemble stories, too, but not every story needs to be an ensemble. I'm not disagreeing. But Toriyama kept pulling his attention away from the protagonist and resolving the plot to show us the series scrubs being s...

And, yes, stories where power isn't required for characters to play a meaningful role tend to have broad appeal. Look at stories like The Thing or Aliens. Or, heck, the Wrath of Khan. Characters hustling their way towards their win conditions despite a vastly superior enemy often makes for very eng...

And yes Vegeta is certainly a popular character but he’s very much a love/hate character. As many people love him there are just as many that hate him and need to constantly say it. He’s not even in this chapter and he’s dominating the discussion. The "hatedom" for Vegeta is hugely exaggerated onli...

Far too often people point to the Namek arc as the point that shows how the supporting cast can carry the story without Goku. That's it. That's their only bit of evidence. Not surprisingly, it's the story that doesn't require strength to do something important. Some of us also point to the Piccolo ...

Nothing in Super is essential. All existing characters had their arcs ended decades ago. I'm not claiming this is revolutionary for Vegeta, but we're getting to see him play out interactions in a new way based on where he was left at the end of the original run. It's neither essential nor retread. ...

Vegeta's 'redemption' was solved decades ago though, literally. Yes, except for when he massacred a village of Namekians and they were never revived. That's dealt with in this arc, among other things. Vegeta killed a lot of people who were never revived. Actual planets worth. I get people wanna giv...

I know plenty like DB to not be the Goku show but if a writer has to constantly sideline his main character in order to give the supporting cast the spotlight, the supporting cast isn't that interesting. But the dynamic on Namek was already great. Goku wasn't being "sidelined" for the sake of the c...

Varies. Goku being late to the party against Piccolo Daimao worked for me because the heroes were on parallel journeys. I liked it in the Saiyan Arc because it was handled perfectly. When Goku finally appears it leads to one of the best climaxes in the series. I did not like it in the Freeza Arc bec...

It's also still a deus ex machina even if it's something the audience knew was on the table from day one. Deus ex machina is generally said to be when you don't know about something and it is not foreshadowed at all. An asspull by the author because he or she wrote him or herself into a corner and ...

When I was a kid my headcanon was that Saiyans didn't have all that large a population to begin with and that elites tend to be the only ones consistently passing on their genes so that's where most of the genetic diversity is. Now that I'm older my explanation is that the creator deities only know ...

This is a very feel good arc and I'm grateful for that but an evil part of me is hoping there's a late game swerve that knocks all the pieces off the board. Like we find out that Moro, via seventeen dimensional chess, was the cause of Goku's heart virus and he retriggers it during their fight. Just ...

I don't like how Zamasu's defeat comes down to a deus ex machina. Honestly I don't think Moro will be as unique as Immortal Zamasu, he will probably lose after being overpowered. That is more cliché, but at least it's hard to screw it up. Technically it wasn't. For it to be deus ex machina, Zeno wo...

It was the tone you guys were singling out. And Super is, in my opinion, much worse than GT so the quality arguments feel empty. Super turned Goku into Ash Ketchum. Forever retreading the same steps on his journey and traped in the same body he had twenty years ago. I wasn't comparing Super as a wh...

Because if you intend to keep the story and the characters around forever you have to keep it in stasis. Probably. That's the route sitcoms and dramas take. I take by winking at the fandom you mean fanservice like when Freeza takes that big spherical attack during the tournament of power and it ech...

Though, a less drastic thing that would instantly be a huge, marked improvement is dropping the fucking status quo. Dragon Ball shouldn't have an ongoing status quo, and the fact Super is maintaining one is only serving to hurt it. You know... now that you put it like that, yeah. Why is Super so st...

Actually GT's ratings were pretty good, the problem was GT merchandise was not selling very well and in Japan ratings alone aren't good enough, they want everything associated with a property to do well. Geekdom summed it up pretty well on here(yes I know bagging on him is the trendy thing to do am...