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What does Vegetto mean by his max? Super Saiyan 3 or Super Saiyan? Is he suppressed as a Super Saiyan here?

Thank you, could you go over the Potara Base Gokan thing? The discrepancy between what Steve Simmons has and what Herms has? Herms makes it seem like Base Gokan is going to be abundantly powerful whereas Steve Simmons makes it seem that he'll be just enough. I wonder if something was changed to make...

IOW, just because Metamoran fusion requires both characters to be equally powered prior to fusing, doesn't mean the fusion itself is incapable of reaching the full breadth of their respective abilities(and then some, obviously.) Why would power that has been suppressed be a factor? I don't see how ...

Also, concerning the difference between the anime and the translations here regarding Base Potara Fusion of Goku and Gohan. Herms- "You'll probably be plenty." Simmons- "You'll probably be just enough." Did the anime change any of the dialogue? Or can it be translated either way?...

So, I doubt the fusion suffers from matching the power of the fusees, seeing that said reserved power is still in there, somewhere, just like the SS forms are. This is the only way to make Vegetto > Gogeta and have Potara and Metamoran Fusion as equal trump cards. When fighters are of equal value, ...

Whoa, this SoM stuff is amazing. Thanks.

Koitsukai wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:38 pm There was never any mention to the rival boost being a thing for metamoran fusion as well. Only when using the potara that concept was brought up.

100%. The rivals boost being added to Gogeta is done retroactively.

Should be the same as Super Vegito. Back then that rival boost thing was in play, so I guess he is performing somewhat below Super Vegito. Still, enough to destroy Buuhan -maybe without much leeway or playing around- and Super Buu, as well. The reason Gogeta is an equal trump card to Vegetto nowada...

What's SoM recoloring project? Is that being done here?

Can someone PM me a link please, I'm dying to check this out. Thanks.

Goku9001 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:27 am Goku seems to think a fusion equivalent using Super Saiyan would be able to defeat Buutenks and Elder Kaioshin didn't disagree. I'd say Super Gogeta takes this.

Awesome!

Fat Janemba > Fat Buu Super Janemba (Initial) > Super Buu (Initial) Super Gogeta > Super Janemba (Full Power) > Base Gogeta Each fight is a mirror. Goku has powered up, now he takes the place of Super Saiyan Gotenks Post Rosat, who was able to somewhat hold his own against Super Buu's initial power....

Super Gogeta vs Super Buu

Did anyone request Vegeta's statement to 17 about Kid Trunks being as strong as Future Trunks was at the Cell Games? This occurs right before they take off to head to the Tournament of Power.

How come original Dragonball's subtitles have Yamcha's name as Yamucha? Which is the right way to say it?

If Kaioshin is stronger than Pui Pui and Yakon, the entire Babidi ship segment makes absolutely zero sense. The only way the ship segment makes sense is if Kaioshin is only as strong as he's suggested to be. Kaioshin has strong psychic attacks, that allow him to do some amazing stuff, but that's rea...

Shin's power was dismissed from the get go due to its unusability according to Dabura. The reasons for his inclusion within the group that was to be kept alive were personal in nature to Babidi; he wanted to be the one to kill Kaioshin. Yes, exactly. Babidi personally tells Dabura to lay off Shin s...

Let's start from the top. Kaioshin runs into the Saiyans at the tournament and claims inferiority to them immediately. Expected Saiyans > Kaioshin Then Babidi, Dabura, and Kaioshin all seem to agree that Pui Pui appears to be too much for even the group of Saiyans, let alone Kaioshin, a far inferior...

Kaioshin vs Pui Pui


Kaioshin is much weaker than people think. He is weaker than Piccolo as well as the Base Saiyans.

Hmm, I never thought about it like that. So that's what Trunks meant. Current Gohan is weaker than Kid Gohan, wow, hey, it might even be that he's even weaker than Buu Saga Gohan? Because Gohan could transform into Super Saiyan 2 in the Buu Saga and turning Super Saiyan is a struggle to him here... ...

Base Vegeta > Piccolo. There's nothing to indicate that the status quo has changed, there's no reason to assume Piccolo is stronger than Base Vegeta is. Krillin compares Piccolo to a fucking Super Saiyan. We are talking two different Piccolo's here. Suppressed/Weighted Piccolo seems to be behind Ba...