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You all just proved me right. This relativist PC refusal to admit that anything is obviously better or worse than anything else by claiming "its just your opinion bro" as if that debunks anything, or "all opinions have value" when they clearly don't.

And you guys are making a false dichotomy ...

People claiming "objectivity" when it comes to opinions on media often feel like they're just trying to disguise their subjective opinions as facts.


This is what it usually ends up being.



Talk of objective quality gets on my nerves. At the end of the day, who the hell decides these ...

Krillin (Cell Games) vs Vegeta (Late Namek arc, final zenkai)

Super Perfect Cell (Kaioken x20) vs Kid Buu

Enraged Base Broly (DBS) vs Android 17 (Post-ToP)

SSG Gogeta (DBS Broly) vs Merged Zamasu (Anime, no immortality)

SSJR Trunks (End of Black arc) vs Base Toppo

ABED wrote: Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:50 pm If a long term story isn't working as you'd hoped, you don't keep going just so you can stick with the plan (the intended payoff). Payoffs are about catharsis.

And Gohan's Post-Cell largely fails.

Gohan is a fictional character whose personality can be whatever the writer wants it to be.

He very clearly has the precedent set to be a family man or a fighter.

It makes no sense to not have him be a fighter unless you believe his mere presence to be a detriment to the story.


Exactly ...

Okaaaay so my suggestion got quite a response from nicklord.

Its just a few silly ideas i came up with at the top of my head, no reason to get angry about it, i took away gohan and vegeta as i find them the most bland characters in the TOP arc, so i just replace them with characters that would ...

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The blatant relativism in the responses is exactly the thing I'm criticizing. "That's just your opinion bro" is not a real argument because it says nothing about whether something is true, false, good or bad.

If there was no such thing as objective reality or objective quality then people wouldn't ...

This isn't really an unpopular opinion about DB but rather an unpopular opinion about how most of the community critiques DB.

Most of the fandom has no real sense of objectively when it comes to praising or criticizing the series, and that includes many DB youtubers. Whether it be assuming ...

Tien (Buu saga) vs Base Goku (End of Namek, can use Kaioken but not SSJ)

Enraged Vegeta (BoG) vs Buuhan

SSG Gogeta (DBS) vs Base Jiren (Full Power)

Hit (ToP anime) vs Merged Zamasu (manga)

SSJ1 Goku (Buu saga) vs Normal Perfect Cell

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You've completely missed the point of my last line. If both Goku and Gohan got married and had kids then how does Gohan also doing that make him a foil when they both did the same thing?


That is entirely irrelevant. That has absolutely nothing to do with their personality ...

And why do you think so?

No offense but those are some really bad ideas for the series, worse than the actual Super we got.

This is the second time you rudely tell others that their opinions are "bad" (and for the record, in the other thread, it was a necropost. You brought a dead thread back only to say that they have ...

MasenkoHA wrote: Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:41 pm snip

You've completely missed the point of my last line. If both Goku and Gohan got married and had kids then how does Gohan also doing that make him a foil when they both did the same thing?

This isn't really an unpopular opinion about DB but rather an unpopular opinion about how most of the community critiques DB.

Most of the fandom has no real sense of objectively when it comes to praising or criticizing the series, and that includes many DB youtubers. Whether it be assuming ...

I don't see how the answer can't be Gohan. Fans praise him for moments like the Cell Games where he's uber powerful, but when his true character shines (e.i. Gt. Saiyaman arc), they complain.

Also, Broly. Both his Z and Super counterparts. One is a generic doomsday villain while the other is a ...

Finding his courage WAS his character arc and expressing otherwise is projecting as far as I'm concerned. Gohan was never positioned to be Gokus successor until he was thrust into it in the Cell saga. He'll, even Toriyama himself said - he conceived him as a meek foil to Goku, it was Toei ...

"Dragonball isn't a hero story", again, so what? And what really hurts your argument here is that Gohan deadass went and became a Superhero in the Buu saga lmao.
It was a parody, but DB is still a wuxia story, not a superhero story.

Either way, that was the characterization Toriyama give Gohan ...

1. keep videl, shin, picoloo and gohan as the main characters of the saga, don't make videl give up on fighting after ONE fight against a minion, have her learn ki after her defeat (ki tecniques) and help against buu, don't make picoloo the babysitter of two brats, have him and shin try to learn ...