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by ScouterSSJ
Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:55 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why scaling matters
Replies: 53
Views: 45927

Re: Why scaling matters


There is no difference between Goku form in Lord of Slug and DBS Future Trunks SSJ Rage form.

Rage used to be the way to how one activates SSJ, when they can't transform at will, so it makes sense for Goku to transform from seeing birds get hurt.

Goku gained the powers of his allies and hit ...
by ScouterSSJ
Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:57 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Why scaling matters
Replies: 53
Views: 45927

Re: Why scaling matters

Anime DBS was written like Dragon Ball GT, so I don't think it even has any proper scaling.
Toei does what it wants at any time, without caring even a bit about plot consistency (one of the worst examples, to me, is SSJ3 Goku beating SSJ2 Trunks, but then against Black Rosé and Zamatsu SSJ2 Trunks ...
by ScouterSSJ
Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:39 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Best DBZ Fan Media
Replies: 2
Views: 6535

Re: Best DBZ Fan Media

Besides the obvious Dragon Ball abridged which is a masterpiece of its own, I'd say that the Dragon Ball+Sonic fanfic ( Dragon Ball: chaos crossover it's called) from youtube is also fairly good if you like both universes (I liked a lot how they mixed Kid Goku's sagas with arcs from the Sonic ...
by ScouterSSJ
Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:16 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)
Replies: 23
Views: 27236

Re: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)



Wow, I've been smelling your dishonesty from miles away, but that takes the crown

Even if 4 years as a compliance officer hardly make me a undisputed authority on this subject, I’m pretty sure relentlessly shifting definitions, ignoring or selectively interpreting source material, inserting ...
by ScouterSSJ
Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:09 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: What's the best Cell saga time paradox explanation?
Replies: 7
Views: 15827

Re: What's the best Cell saga time paradox explanation?

I'll expand a bit on the topic. I've looked for good explanations on my own, of course, but I haven't been able to find one that correctly explains the paradox in full detail.
For example, the explanation of the Daizenshuu is a crime against Toriyama's work, full of contradictions and impossible ...
by ScouterSSJ
Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:54 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)
Replies: 23
Views: 27236

Re: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)

Sure, I’m firm about that. Goku said Freeza’s ki was steadily dropping, which means that Freeza’s ki wasn’t at 100% anymore. Freeza’s ki can’t be at 100% if it is decreasing. Nothing whatsoever in that sentence suggests Freeza “100%” is anything beyond what basic logic dictates.
Ok, the problem ...
by ScouterSSJ
Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:32 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: What's the best Cell saga time paradox explanation?
Replies: 7
Views: 15827

What's the best Cell saga time paradox explanation?

Hi! One of the reasons I decided to participate in this forums was to see if there was any Dragon Ball expert able to fully explain the time-paradox of the Cell saga.
I of course have my own explanation on how it all went, but I was interested on seeing other takes on the subject since it was such a ...
by ScouterSSJ
Tue Jun 24, 2025 3:23 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)
Replies: 23
Views: 27236

Re: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)

Reading this quote again, there is just absolutely no way to interpret this as anything other than Goku on namek being stronger than Freeza's full potential on namek:
Chapter: 330 (DBZ 136), P13.3-4
Cold: “The Earthlings don’t matter, but the Super Saiyan alone we absolutely must exterminate, by ...
by ScouterSSJ
Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:45 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)
Replies: 23
Views: 27236

Re: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)

The thing is that Freeza never said he would use 100% of his remaining power.

What? Not only have I pointed to you a direct quote from Frieza stating that he's taken a ton of damage, but the "I STILL can easily beat all of you" part OF COURSE implies that he'll have to use his remaining power ...
by ScouterSSJ
Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:09 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?
Replies: 41
Views: 27667

Re: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?


I don't think Toei ever and even attempted to make a character development for Freeza in Movie 12. That was not what that movie was about. He just showed up and was easily killed off because at that point in time the good guys were strong enough to deal with any villains from years, decades ago ...
by ScouterSSJ
Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:44 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)
Replies: 23
Views: 27236

Re: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)

When Freeza says he’s using 100%, the story takes him at his word. Goku treats it seriously and the fight continues until his stamina gives out
Chapter: 325 (DBZ 131), P8.2-5
Context: after Goku and full-power Freeza have fought for a while
Goku: “I quit. [ ] As a backlash from you using your 100 ...
by ScouterSSJ
Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:00 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?
Replies: 41
Views: 27667

Re: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?


That’s not character development

It totally is. We go from an overconfident Frieza that had never trained in his life to one that would start to work his ass, and from a Frieza that threw his fight against Goku due to his overconfidence to one that not only took into account the fact that he ...
by ScouterSSJ
Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:33 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)
Replies: 23
Views: 27236

Re: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)

I think we’re getting into some pretty speculative territory here. I completely agree that injuries weaken characters in Dragon Ball, I’m not denying that. But when Freeza declares he’s using 100% of his power, the story doesn’t suggest or imply he is lying or missing the effect of his prior damage ...
by ScouterSSJ
Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:09 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?
Replies: 41
Views: 27667

Re: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?


Maybe RoF is a bit weak in the sense that it didn't work well as a movie but when it comes to the main plot it was very well written.

What plot ? Freeza comes back, fights the heroes, then loses. There was not a single plot twist or character development for anyone. That's no different from Z's ...
by ScouterSSJ
Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:47 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?
Replies: 41
Views: 27667

Re: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?

The original Dragon Ball manga is still the best shounen ever made even today, besides the impact it had in other series, so for me that's one.
Then when it comes to Dragon Ball products and despite its many shortcomings, the only reasonable second place is the Dragon Ball Super manga until the ...
by ScouterSSJ
Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:23 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)
Replies: 23
Views: 27236

Re: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)

I don’t think that we should treat Freeza’s 100% power as something hypothetical or far above what we actually saw.

The manga frames his bulking up as him reaching his full power, and while it was rapidly declining due to stamina drain, it was still a real peak that he visibly achieved and used ...
by ScouterSSJ
Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:43 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?
Replies: 41
Views: 27667

Re: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?


Now, a remake of OG DB and Z without any filler (or filler that respected Toriyama's writting) and the animation quality of Daima or the best TOP anime episodes, that would be God reincarnated itself LoL.

A modern remake would be censored into oblivion. That thing would not have a single drop ...
by ScouterSSJ
Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:28 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?
Replies: 41
Views: 27667

Re: Is Dragon Ball Z, Super, and Daima consider to be "Holy Trinity"?

Unfortunately I can't considere animes that destroy their manga "holy trinities".
Dragon Ball GT, anime Super and Daima both share the same problems: they don't feel Dragon Ball because they don't respect Toriyama's writting style (which is what made Dragon Ball the success it became).
DBZ and OG DB ...
by ScouterSSJ
Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:07 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)
Replies: 23
Views: 27236

Re: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)


Great job on organizing everything. I really appreciated the progression from Raditz to the early Namek stages.

That said, I’ll admit I started getting a bit lost once we got past Freeza’s transformations. The numbers started feeling less grounded in the manga material (I’m curious to know how ...
by ScouterSSJ
Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:00 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)
Replies: 23
Views: 27236

Dragon Ball power-levels until Cell (manga)

Hi everyone!

I made a short video for my YouTube channel showcasing all the most relevant power levels from Raditz up to Cell, and I wanted to share it here with the Kanzenshuu experts to hear your thoughts.

The goal of the video is to show how power levels evolved in the series, starting from ...