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by DBZAOTA482
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:58 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

ABED wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:33 pm
Are you paying attention to the story?
Yes. But you're not even refuting my points. You're essentially agreeing with me now.

Saiyan are naturally inclined to fight but up till Freeza, they were pretty much left to their own devises.
by DBZAOTA482
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:16 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

I'm not sure how those cases relate to the Saiyans being cold-blooded killers. Nor would I describe those cases as "Blacks having problems dealing with the law". But that is a whole other discussion. The point is Saiyans being evil space pirates was more of a result of their environment and culture...
by DBZAOTA482
Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:25 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

He said "African slaves", not Africans. The captives were not in any way willing partners in the slave trade. They're not but it's not like the Saiyans were even given a chance to lead a green life. Prior to the Tuffle invasion, they were oppressed and had to live a primitive lifestyle. It's an ext...
by DBZAOTA482
Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:50 pm
Forum: Video Games
Topic: "Dragon Ball FighterZ" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 7125
Views: 500328

Re: "Dragon Ball FighterZ" Official Discussion Thread

THIS is how you do Broly justice. Unstable, psychotic, with power that cannot be contained. I stand by my opinion - DBS Broly makes DBZ Broly look completely unnecessary. Now I wanna know who the S3 characters are ... I'm betting it'll be like this: Goku (Ultra Instinct) Master Roshi Toppo Kefla I ...
by DBZAOTA482
Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:37 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

Raditz only did those things once his words couldn't reach and Goku took a combative stance. I'm not say the Saiyans were good people or anything. They were evil space pirates as I've said before but that's just their culture so who are we to judge them? That's Enma's job. Raditz wasn't asking for ...
by DBZAOTA482
Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:02 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

More like "Raditz fought Goku because he was an insolent little piece of shit". Raditz only tried to kill Goku when the latter and Piccolo both tried to kill him first which is when he decided he won't give him any more chances. At first, he was willing to talk things out but Goku adamantly refuses...
by DBZAOTA482
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:48 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:16 am
"Raditz only fought Goku in self-defense" is a hot take I never thought I'd see here.
More like "Raditz fought Goku because he was an insolent little piece of shit".
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:57 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

Nappa is about the only Saiyan who shows any loyalty and we only know that at the very end when it comes as a complete shock when Vegeta kills him the second he proves useless. Trying to kill someone then saying "hey, before I do it, you sure you don't want to join me?" is in no way loyalty. More t...
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:36 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

Not being condescending, but do you know what loyalty is? It's a feeling of allegiance, which none of your exmaples show. If a few words can persuade Nappa to not resurrect his supposed comrade, he's not loyal. Raditz looking to his brother to join his ranks because he believed him to be strong isn...
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

Freeza was worse. The Saiyans were evil space pirates but they at least had a sense of loyalty amongst No they didn't. Were they loyal to Raditz? Nappa doesn't put up much of a fuss when Vegeta shoots down Nappa's suggestion. Was Vegeta loyal to Nappa? Raditz shows NO loyalty to Goku. After his off...
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:26 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

Freeza was stronger than them, not worse. Both Freeza and the Saiyans were mass murdering monsters. Freeza was worse. The Saiyans were evil space pirates but they at least had a sense of loyalty amongst each other given how Bardock was genuinely upset over Freeza's betrayal, Raditz gave Goku multip...
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:37 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

That's just justice. No, them dying isn't in and of itself isn't just. What's justice is they suffered the same fate they visited on so many others. That's fitting. It's not justice because the man who killed them is worse than they are. Goku being the one to defeat Freeza isn't poetic justice beca...
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:33 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

It's poetic justice because the very thing they did better than just about anyone else was done to them. Poetic justice is all about irony. Considering the thought of ruling the universe didn't even cross Vegeta's till the beginning of the Freeza arc, I doubt it was the only reason. Besides it's ob...
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:47 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

It is poetic justice. The think they are working with the emperor of the universe and are untouchable only to get killed by him. It's like a made man in the mafia thinking they are untouchable only to get offed. I don't feel sorry for those thugs, nor should anyone. They're bullies, to put it mildl...
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

It's very clear they didn't murder entire planets to put food on the table. They did it because they love to fight. I very much disagree that the Saiyans didn't deserve to die at Freeza's hands. That was poetic justice. And even assuming that was how they made a living, that's not a legitimate line...
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:32 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

The Saiyans aren't analogs to African slaves. They were willing accomplices. The Saiyans weren't victims. They were gangsters who the big boss killed because he feared they'd try and take his throne. Many Africans were willing accomplices in the slave trade and the Saiyans were technically victims ...
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Kanzenshuu Members' Favorite Series (2019 Edition)
Replies: 31
Views: 679

Re: Kanzenshuu Members' Favorite Series (2019 Edition)

1. Dragon Ball TV Series (1986-1989) 2. Dragon Ball Z TV Series (1989-1996) 3. Dragon Ball Kai TV Series [1-167] (2009-2011, 2014-2015) 4. Dragon Ball Super TV Series (2015-2019) 5. Dragon Ball GT TV Series (1996-1997) 6. Super Dragon Ball Heroes Promotional Anime (2018-present) Dragon Ball wins out...
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:30 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

The Saiyans aren't analogs to African slaves. They were willing accomplices. The Saiyans weren't victims. They were gangsters who the big boss killed because he feared they'd try and take his throne. Many Africans were willing accomplices in the slave trade and the Saiyans were technically victims ...
by DBZAOTA482
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:39 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: DragonBall should do more with politics
Replies: 67
Views: 1414

Re: DragonBall should do more with politics

The last thing Dragon Ball needs to deal with is politics, it ain't South Park. Of course, it doesn't mean the series never gets "real". The Planet Trade Organization parallels to slavery in real-life whatnot with Planet Vegeta being Africa and the Saiyan being blacks/Africans while Freeza being the...
by DBZAOTA482
Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:22 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Nostalgia for the so-called dark ages of DB
Replies: 45
Views: 1671

Re: Nostalgia for the so-called dark ages of DB

I don’t see how Battle of Z can be worse than Ultimate Tenkaichi in any shape or form. Battle of Z wasn’t great but it was amazing compared to the shit that was UT UT at least had an actual meta (even though it sucked), CaC (even though it was very limited), Hero Mode, good graphics, and local mult...