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by Miracles
Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:20 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

1. In that case, Goku shouldn't be striving for UI because he already "mastered" it. 2. SSBKKx20 is Goku's full-power. 100/20 = 5%, which would be SSB Goku. Again your forgetting, In Toriyama's movies there is no BlueKK. So where does it say in the PLOT they aren't going full power against Broly? A...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:11 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

1. A Goku and Vegeta that only used 5% of their power lost to Broli. Never in the movie did they go full-power. 2. I am not contradicting the story when I'm saying "Goku "beat" Geran is the same as how Goku "mastered" UI. Both were flukes in ToP." What you think is a "fluke" doesn't change the fact...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:49 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

1) I'm not making my own narrative, I looking at what the show is simply displaying. Goku "beat" Geran is the same as how Goku "mastered" UI. Both were flukes in ToP. No one with a fair mindset (especially Goku) would be satisfied winning through a fluke. 2) It's interesting that you say I am makin...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

1) I did get it. I literally said "Even I'll admit that Goku most likely has gotten stronger than his previous arc counterpart in the same form , but it clearly wasn't a significant gain as is wasn't mentioned ." Though, I have been gone for awhile, has Toriyama released his drafts to definitively ...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

1) If that's the case, I can say that Geran doesn't contradict the statement because he's also a future goal-post much like Beerus. 2) Even I'll admit that Goku most likely has gotten stronger than his previous arc counterpart in the same form , but it clearly wasn't a significant gain as is wasn't...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:10 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

1) It can't be always when Beerus is a point towards contradicting that, and the evidence I've gave that Geran is stronger than Broli is points towards that a few comments ago. I don't need a direct statement from Toriyama when statements and feats from the show point towards what I'm saying. 2) Yo...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

As there’s no evidence that Goku and Vegeta made a gain in power worth mentioning in-series, you really want to say that SSB Goku (ToP) + 1% is somehow stronger than SSBKK20 Goku (ToP)? I just pointed out that trend broke once again with Geran and Broli, and gave evidence why Toriyama isn’t afraid ...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Fact 1: Hmmm, I guess Beerus is now weaker than Freeza, or Hit if that's true. See, Toriyama is not afraid to break this trend, and it's highly possible that he did so with Geran and Broli. Fact 2: Again, how much stronger? They could have gotten 1% stronger and that wouldn't close the gap between ...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:17 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

1. Beerus (when sensing EP109 “less than hint of power” Geran) was in absolute shock that a mortal could have so much power. Beerus also sensed Merged Zamasu (who did well against SSB Vegetto) and only was mildly worried. Unless you believe that Goku and Vegeta’s base have gotten massively stronger...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:47 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

1) Despite that, there's still nothing on if Vermoud's and Beerus's are any different. On top of that, EP130 Geran unlocked even more power and it increased dramatically from his former full-power which would at least make him dramatically stronger than Vermoud and most likely Beerus. 2) Goku and V...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:55 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

1) Jiren's definitive statement was only stronger than Belmond. Goku beat Jiren with UI therefore stronger than Belmond. Since Beerus is Goku's benchmark [Magazine guide didn't even know if Mastered UI Goku was stronger than Beerus with a "might be"] he is stronger than both Jiren and Belmond. Ther...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:46 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Seeing as how Ultra Instinct is portrayed as generally on the same level as if not vastly superior to even SSB Fusion, I'm inclined to think that HP Jiren surpasses SSFP Broly by a fairly wide margin. I will grant that SSFP Broly might be stronger than regular FP Jiren, but ONLY in raw power, and c...
by Miracles
Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:13 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Seeing as how Ultra Instinct is portrayed as generally on the same level as if not vastly superior to even SSB Fusion, I'm inclined to think that HP Jiren surpasses SSFP Broly by a fairly wide margin. I will grant that SSFP Broly might be stronger than regular FP Jiren, but ONLY in raw power, and c...
by Miracles
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Goku>Frieza>Vegeta. That's how I see it based on everything. The difference is minor but it's there. Beerus>Jiren>Broly>Goku. Goku was never actually "stronger" than Jiren. He beat him but that's not the same thing. And Frieza had to help him, among others. Why Beerus on top? Simple. He could do aw...
by Miracles
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Goku>Frieza>Vegeta. That's how I see it based on everything. The difference is minor but it's there. Beerus>Jiren>Broly>Goku. Goku was never actually "stronger" than Jiren. He beat him but that's not the same thing. And Frieza had to help him, among others. Why Beerus on top? Simple. He could do aw...
by Miracles
Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:55 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 30042
Views: 1956850

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I think that based on Toyotaro using things from the past of dragon ball (Planet Yardrat, Planet Zoon , And the Daikaioshin), I think we should just take a moment to go scouring the old dragon ball and dragon ball z manga for little details that might have something to do with what’s going on curre...
by Miracles
Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:36 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super" CONTINUATION - (Non) Announcement & Discussion Thread
Replies: 1843
Views: 157952

Re: "Dragon Ball Super" CONTINUATION - (Non) Announcement & Discussion Thread

Someone mentioned that Ajay tweeted something about finding out that what he was told was wrong. I'm not sure if he ever elaborated on whether he meant release date or the existence of the series as a whole. Either way, we can at least rest assured that something will follow , be it a movie or a se...
by Miracles
Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:12 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 30042
Views: 1956850

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

The Apparant Chapter 51 leak - Bulma Meets Goku at Galactic Patrol HQ - Goku contacts Earth and informs Piccolo about Moro and Namek - Vegeta Comes to Yardrat and sees Freeza Force s killing Yardratians. - Vegeta deals with the Freeza Force - Freeza Comes down from his ship to Yardrat to confront V...
by Miracles
Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:44 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

We don't need to keep the feats going on every time for them to be considered real. Zeno's GodPad couldn't keep up with Dyspo's speed, but there were no complains when MUI Goku-Jiren happened, that doesn't mean Dyspo is faster than them. The feat to showcase Dyspo's speed already served it's purpos...
by Miracles
Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:11 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 30116
Views: 1395000

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The second fiddle statement would put Vegeta below Freeza too. Since Freeza is equal to the one ahead of Vegeta.