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by Michsi
Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:10 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 29669
Views: 1882134

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Chapter's out. I still have to ruminate on my feelings toward it, but my initial reaction to it was "meh". There is one line that I'd like to discuss though Esca mentioning that his people can assimilate others, but not split. I wonder if that was intentional or Toyotaro simply forgot about Kami/Pic...
by Michsi
Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:05 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

You and some guys have been saying all the time that Piccolo Jr and Daimao can't be the same person because they're a bit different, well, Daimao and Kami are completely different and they're still the same person, so that argument is invalid. I mean, if you say Piccolo Jr can't be Daimao by any me...
by Michsi
Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:22 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

I think they're different Namakians, just that one got the memories of his father. If somehow your father managed to give you all his memories, you'll still be your own person at the end of the day. That's pretty much what I think too, that the whole reincarnation bit was before the introduction of...
by Michsi
Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:08 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

Doesn't matter if they exaggerated the blast zone, it was still a huge blast that would've killed hundreds if not thousands and more to the point, he showed zero remorse. I've looked at the manga and not only did it not say the whole island evacuated in time, but there's nothing that shows Piccolo ...
by Michsi
Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:59 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

the death toll is called out by proxy of Chaiotzu having to explain how he survived (they evacuated the hospital!), Wait, what is Chaozu's exact line? Does he say the whole city evacuated? If the extent of his explanation is the people in the hospital got out, that makes sense to me and doesn't cla...
by Michsi
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:46 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

I understand the differences in characterization, but Piccolo is clearly evil and doesn't care about collateral damage. I don't read this lack of a body count as Toriyama's characterization of the new Piccolo as much as him trying to protect Piccolo by making the death toll a lot lower. The Piccolo...
by Michsi
Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:05 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

I understand the differences in characterization, but Piccolo is clearly evil and doesn't care about collateral damage. I don't read this lack of a body count as Toriyama's characterization of the new Piccolo as much as him trying to protect Piccolo by making the death toll a lot lower. The Piccolo...
by Michsi
Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:12 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

The moon thing worked as a joke for when Dragon Ball was a gag manga, but after the 21st TB this approach is put on the back-burner to focus more on the adventure element (I honestly feel that's why Toriyama decided to revisit the Dragon Ball quest again as the third arc). Certainly by the time Dai...
by Michsi
Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:33 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

And yet he reverses that position with Vegeta , who is arguably even worse than Piccolo. Piccolo has the excuse of being a literal personification of evil. Vegeta chose to do what he did and his massacres aren't limited to a single planet. Yet, he has a redemption arc. Yes, Piccolo redemption was p...
by Michsi
Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:11 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

There are a lot of weird stuff like this in DB- if we can accept Goku using a magic pole to put someone on the moon or blowing up the moon not having grave consequences to the Earth, I think we can easily accept this. I don’t get this comparison at all. There’s a world of difference between Goku ha...
by Michsi
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:36 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

I get it, word spread quickly, but the time it takes to evacuate a city of that size even if everyone had access to either a boat or a plane, it would take entirely too long. I have no idea why Toriyama would try to claim everyone was off the island. He doesn't shy away from mass casualties. But as...
by Michsi
Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:50 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

No, but he did murder a city full of people without a second thought. He began changing, but he's still very much his father/his old self. Actually he didn't. We find out through Chaozu that everyone evacuated. That is one of the things I was referring to as him being different. I think the old Dem...
by Michsi
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:48 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

Come on man, If Daimao had spent 5 years readying himself to beat Goku, then got beat by him, then Goku spared him, and now he's just spent 5 years waiting around, and now he has to ally with Goku's son to stop a greater threat for basically an entire year... An 11-year span like that can change so...
by Michsi
Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:19 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The differences between Toei Goku and Manga Goku
Replies: 51
Views: 4743

Re: The differences between Toei Goku and Manga Goku

I do think it’s interesting that when Gohan got kidnapped by Raditz it was framed as Goku was worried about incurring Chi Chi’s wrath “Chi Chi would be mad if he got hurt” in Return my Gohan! he’s much more paternalistic in his concern for Gohan. Pair that up with how he reacts when finding out abo...
by Michsi
Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:40 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The differences between Toei Goku and Manga Goku
Replies: 51
Views: 4743

Re: The differences between Toei Goku and Manga Goku

I do think it’s interesting that when Gohan got kidnapped by Raditz it was framed as Goku was worried about incurring Chi Chi’s wrath “Chi Chi would be mad if he got hurt” in Return my Gohan! he’s much more paternalistic in his concern for Gohan. Pair that up with how he reacts when finding out abo...
by Michsi
Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:25 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

Except no one calls Vegeta "Prince Vegeta", because it's not the character's name. In his case, you are correct that it's only a title. Daimao on the other hand is both a title and the character's name. Just like with Gyuu-mao, Kame-sennin/Roshi, Uranai Baba, Kaio, etc. It's true that Ma Junior cal...
by Michsi
Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:19 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

Yes, but it's still the character's full name as presented by the author. When the characters refer to simply "Daimao", we know who they mean. It's both a title and a name. Just like with all of the similarly named characters in the series, and fiction in general. It's not a name then , it's no dif...
by Michsi
Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:38 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

Just watch the tournament 23 saga and you'll see it. When Goku explained his friends who was Ma Junior, Goku said he was Daimaho, and he explained how Daimao reincarnated to Piccolo Jr. Again "Daimaou" literally means the Great Demon King - that is a title, a role, and Piccolo Jr. has indeed inheri...
by Michsi
Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:20 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?
Replies: 208
Views: 3356

Re: Can we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr the same person?

They present him as the same person in the 23rd TB. Where exactly? I can't get my volumes right now unfortunately but I remember going over the manga at one point looking for a specific quote for this. Man we already said plenty of times the moments where they presented them as the same person. Jus...
by Michsi
Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super" CONTINUATION - (Non) Announcement & Discussion Thread
Replies: 1668
Views: 132838

Re: "Dragon Ball Super" CONTINUATION - (Non) Announcement & Discussion Thread

None of this news means that the DB anime will continue only in movie format. Well, yes, that is true, but this piece of news is currently the only public information we have from an official source regarding the franchise so naturally people will speculate on why we hear about a movie that is just...