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There is also some correlation between this and the enhanced SS2 form that rivals SS3 in power without its drawbacks. Vegeta and Trunks have improved their SS2 form to an incredible degree, which could be the result of having improved the regular SS form and then going for the higher stage ...

I think the key point here is that characters like Gohan, Freeza, and 17 all had latent potential or unique traits that made their sudden growth plausible within the story’s own logic, even if it’s exaggerated by your standards.

Gohan literally unlocked his Ultimate form through magical means and ...

If everyone is SSG level now without background, then what does SSG even mean anymore?
The only time SsjG held any weight was in the movie it debuted in, while SsjB achieved absolutely nothing since its introduction. UI is slowly becoming the new Ssj1, with more and more characters reaching that ...

Nobody’s denying that characters like 17 and Freeza got massive gains, it’s how those gains are presented. The difference is between a story that acknowledges and builds up those leaps (like 17 training for years, Freeza pushing his body beyond its limits or Gohan unlocking hidden potential) and a ...

Welcome to dragon ball post Raditz arrival

If we’re being reductive, sure. But that kind of blanket “DB’s always been like this” take mostly dodges the point. The issue isn’t that things got bigger, it’s that the mechanics of growth and relative power lost clarity. That wasn’t nearly as much ...

Welcome to dragon ball post Raditz arrival

If we’re being reductive, sure. But that kind of blanket “DB’s always been like this” take mostly dodges the point. The issue isn’t that things got bigger, it’s that the mechanics of growth and relative power lost clarity. That wasn’t nearly as much of ...

Scenario, the Buu arc: Babidi takes them all to the daimakai for the Dabura vs Gohan fight, but immediately takes everybody back except for Gohan, who's left stranded there.
Who can he beat in his base form? who will force him to go SS? who would force him to go SS2?(real SS2, not the vanilla SS2 ...

Let’s clarify a few things.

Bringing up Cabba’s build as a reason people don’t take him seriously ignores the actual issue: lack of demonstrated feats or scaling that place him in a fusion or god-tier class. Gohan didn’t have a musclebound design either, yet the entire fandom accepts that Kid Gohan ...

I get the idea you're going for, that Dragon Ball has always played fast and loose with consistency, but comparing Cabba to Goten and Kefla's growth to Cabba's is kind of a false equivalence. Dragon Ball has inconsistencies, but it still follows a hierarchy of narrative logic, especially when it ...

Okay, I get that Super introduced some confusing power scaling, but saying Base Cabba (or even his SS1/SS2 versions) could beat SS4 Goku or SS4 Gogeta doesn’t hold up when you really break it down, even from a narrative logic standpoint.

Let’s look at who Cabba is: he’s a young, unseasoned Saiyan ...

I think the key takeaway is that forms like SS2 and SS3 offer brute power, but at a steep cost (stamina, stability, and efficiency). Goku realizing this after fighting Beerus makes perfect sense. The god forms demanded a different approach: control and balance between power and energy management ...

I am aware about RoF mess, even the movie when Freeza predicts he would reach 1,300,000 power level doesn't make sense at all. On Namek in his 1st form, he has 530,000 power level and his 2nd form has over 1,000,000 power level. So what by making his 1st form 1,300,000 he surpassed everyone except ...

The idea that he could have actually threatened Vegeta if he’d shown up a year earlier (before Whis’ training) kind of breaks the whole logic of Dragon Ball power scale.
Most of Super breaks the logic of Dragon Ball. I don't know if the writers were that uninformed about Dragon Ball, or if they ...

This is amazing! Thank you for putting this together! I’ve always wanted to find a comprehensive breakdown like this. If I had to point out one major disagreement, though, it would be Cell Jr. I really think he should be in level 6. Based on how he fought evenly with the Cell Games Super Saiyans, he ...

When Cabba was introduced, he was just portrayed as a decently talented Saiyan, not some legendary prodigy who could challenge the major threats from Z...
He was able to hold his own against a Vegeta who had been through hell and back for DECADES, on top of training with an actual angel for a ...

That’s exactly why the whole Base Cabba stomping SS4 Gogeta meme exists. It highlights how absurd it would be if we blindly scaled Super’s characters without any context.

When Cabba was introduced, he was just portrayed as a decently talented Saiyan, not some legendary prodigy who could challenge ...

Honestly, if Dabra were really weaker than Namek SS Goku, that would imply Babidi’s boost is far greater than the Third Eye’s, which doesn’t really track with how both are portrayed.

I think it’s more consistent to see Gomah’s power as resetting after defeating SS4 Goku (Mini). It drops back down ...

For SS3 Vegeta (Mini), I’d say he’s definitely above SS2 Kid Gohan. Even as a kid, Vegeta seems extremely powerful, he was trading blows with Tamagamis that were stronger than Dabra and SS3 overwhelmed a powered-up Tamagami. That’s no joke.

SS4 Goku (Mini) is on another level entirely. He would ...

Yeah, Haze Shenron does technically impair Goku and Pan through the polluted atmosphere, which affects their ability to fight. But even with that handicap in place, he never really feels like a serious threat. His strength still seems subpar, and it takes him forever to capitalize on his advantage ...

I agree that most of the Shadow Dragons ended up feeling like filler bosses rather than meaningful threats. But if they started at SS3 tier, GT would’ve needed to establish a solid reason for why Goku couldn’t just immediately go SS4 and wipe the floor with them.

That’s actually one thing Daima ...