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by Berserker1921
Sun Jul 03, 2022 7:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think he is making such a leap because Goku could fight Hit evenly without Kaioken after he defeated Zamasu, while in Champa tournament he needed 10-fold Kaioken to have a shot. That’s after Goku commented on Hit being way stronger than when they fought before. I also think the kaiokens don’t gra...
by Berserker1921
Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:00 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I don't think Whis wasn't taken into account Broly's FP when discussing the race to the top in U7, it was his own power not something borrowed or a fusion. Even if he cannot access it on command, it's still there, an unsupervised situation should be able to let it out once more. A 250kg bully that'...
by Berserker1921
Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:50 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I mean vegeta’s statement from U6 saga, claimed that they hit their limits. And spent 3 years in the hyperbolic time chamber and were barely stronger than they were during the rof saga. What if they are getting “stronger” through mastering Ui and Ue? While their base power hasn’t grown much. I thin...
by Berserker1921
Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:47 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think he is making such a leap because Goku could fight Hit evenly without Kaioken after he defeated Zamasu, while in Champa tournament he needed 10-fold Kaioken to have a shot. That’s after Goku commented on Hit being way stronger than when they fought before. I also think the kaiokens don’t gra...
by Berserker1921
Sun Jul 03, 2022 5:11 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It's amazing it's not more clear. Jiren, Broly, Moro, Gas and Cell Max. You could really go into discussion about whose the strongest here. You could ask twenty different people here to rank them and get all sorts of answers. It couldn't have been clearer in Z. Nobody would ever dispute Buu > Cell ...
by Berserker1921
Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:37 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It's amazing it's not more clear. Jiren, Broly, Moro, Gas and Cell Max. You could really go into discussion about whose the strongest here. You could ask twenty different people here to rank them and get all sorts of answers. It couldn't have been clearer in Z. Nobody would ever dispute Buu > Cell ...
by Berserker1921
Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:17 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I don't think so. Goku explicitly states that Moro was the strongest opponent he had ever battled hence why Goku considers the possibility of Moro training so he could give Goku a good battle in the future. Iyoku already clarified that the movies and manga exists as two separate continuities so tha...
by Berserker1921
Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:38 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I think we’re all overhyping Broly’s power. I think Beerus is still stronger than Broly. And maybe the wish to become the strongest did work. And maybe after that time, Broly began training with Goku and Vegeta. And after that, he became stronger than them. As well may have become stronger than Gas,...
by Berserker1921
Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:30 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread
Replies: 3684
Views: 489722

Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Based off Saiyan Salad’s video

What if all the events of GT or the GT verse was within U6?
by Berserker1921
Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:19 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

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What negatives or nerfs will Gohan’s Beast form receive in later arcs?

UE: Has to be injured to become stronger.

UI: Drains through stamina faster than Ssj3.

Full Power Ssj: Makes the warrior go insane.

Beast: ???

What do you think Gohan’s new form’s weakness is going to be?
by Berserker1921
Sat Jul 02, 2022 3:01 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread
Replies: 3684
Views: 489722

Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

What if Chi chi and Bulma were viltrumites (invincible)? How powerful would their children be if they could properly mate and make hybrids with Goku and Vegeta?
by Berserker1921
Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:44 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

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I was thinking that perhaps the power levels are massively different in the movies. I wonder if the original power balance: SSJG Goku 6, Beerus 10 and Whis 15 is still prevalent in Toriyama's mind. The Jiren battle is mentioned but we don't know if Goku mastered UI. Toriyama never showed us him usi...
by Berserker1921
Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:46 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

So from what I’m gathering it’s… Final Gohan >>> Cell MAX > Broly >= Beerus >=< UI Goku >> Orange Piccolo >>> Gammas ~ Ultimate Piccolo ~ Ultimate Gohan ~ SSJB Goku/Vegeta? Piccolo is probably comparable to SSJBE Vegeta and either KKx20 or UI Sign Goku depending on the continuity. Do you honestly s...
by Berserker1921
Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:45 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It’s interesting the question above is if Broly can beat Goku, and the answer is basically no at his current level of training. So, it seems self-control plays a big factor on these hypothetical fights. Self control and ki control allows someone to fight above their weight class. This why jiren was...
by Berserker1921
Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:25 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

:evil: But he can’t access it if he is in berserk all the time. Possibly like Kale, you need to control yourself to access your full potential. This wouldn’t be new for toriyama. Kind of like what happened with Ginyu and black when they took goku’s body. They couldn’t access his full power. Sort of ...
by Berserker1921
Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:07 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

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I don’t think cell max was ui level. It said he could have defeated Broly had he had his mind or mental facilities finished. Which goes back to where I HeroR, that when they spoke about jiren and why he was so dangerous, was because he was had perfected his ki and mental abilities to the point of i...
by Berserker1921
Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:51 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

If we mix this movie in with the anime, do we have to put Orange Piccolo on the same level as Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken X20 and Super Saiyan Blue Evolved then? He rivals Goku. You can probably not count Ultra Instinct because forgetting the manga entirely that could have been a one off the whole ti...
by Berserker1921
Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:45 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

He wasn’t a threat to the universe. And frieza lasted for an hour. Whis took over a minute or two after Freeza’s beating. And gogeta arrived. Had it been the case of them needing fusion was put down Goku quickly. I mean whis wouldn’t reverse time again. Especially because of what happened after the...
by Berserker1921
Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:00 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

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Sneezing after someone says your is when someone is talking about you. If you sneeze three times, that means someone is talking badly about you. "Whis laughing in responses, meant he heard the sentence. As they broke the fourth wall." That isn't what that means at all since sneezing in Ja...
by Berserker1921
Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:34 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933996

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Didn’t whis laugh when beerus sneezed as he looked up in the sky. After Goku said that statement. Wasn’t that signaling or implying he knew what Goku was saying. In Japanese culture if you say something bad about someone. Don’t they sneeze? Beerus looking pissed. Whis laughing in responses, meant h...