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So Base Goku = Final Form Frieza >>> Final Form Frost > Base Vegeta = Base Cabba = Base Goku

Obviously, two base theory. You guys need to stop denying it for no reason.

Uh, maybe the reason Quitela couldn't defeat Damom was because he's so good at hiding, not because he's strong...?

Can't wait to see what will happen to this topic if we see Base Goku vs Jiren straight out of the OP. It would mean absolutely nothing because Jiren supposedly is above Super Saiyan Blue, and if he can suppress himself to >SS3 Gotenks levels to fight evenly with Goku, then surely he can also suppre...

Can't wait to see what will happen to this topic if we see Base Goku vs Jiren straight out of the OP.

For the most part, Goku and Vegeta has been shown with a strong base form and nothing in the story led me to believe that they had a second base form that they never seemed to used once the Future Trunks Saga started. It seems to me like people on Reddit downvoted you because you were, well, consis...

Yeah, Toppo's stronger than Dyspo, I don't see your point. This is a universe we know nothing about. No, the point is that Aragney was portrayed as trash with the way he was killed. It's not enough to look at the plain feats but also how a character is portrayed. For example, characters in Bleach w...

So did they end up mentioning the words "light-speed" at all? The end of the episode says otherwise. Dyspo turned into Vegeta 2.0 at the end of his fight against Hit. Ok, but unless the fight with Aragney is not canon then we have a huge problem on our hands. How is a random fodder above ...

But when you're restrained, your ki isn't necessarily at a weak level anymore, and if you want to get out by overpowering your opponent, you can do so very easily. Well, there's the situation with Raditz and Goku... despite the former being over three times the latter's power level. I mean, regardl...

Ok, but unless the fight with Aragney is not canon then we have a huge problem on our hands. How is a random fodder above SSG level? He's not? Dyspo was quite casually dodging Aragney's physical attacks and laser beams and also destroying his tentacles, his only problem in that situation is that mo...

Hakaishin Liquir wrote:

Loputousu wrote:So.. Aragney > Dyspo > Hit. Lol

The end of the episode says otherwise. Dyspo turned into Vegeta 2.0 at the end of his fight against Hit.

Ok, but unless the fight with Aragney is not canon then we have a huge problem on our hands. How is a random fodder above SSG level?

So.. Aragney > Dyspo > Hit. Lol

SBG Goku might be in OP 2. We see Base Goku fighting Jiren pretty well, the same Jiren who owned Kale in one hit.

Judging from their habit of reusing animations from the OP, I think this can be considered evidence for a super strong Base Goku. Unless we never see these animationa reused.

Goku: Do you think our Universe 7 is sure to easily win? Whis: Who knows? I don't know that much about the other universes. However, there is a universe where lives a mortal even a God of Destruction can't defeat. A) The mortal is at the tournament B) The mortal isn't at the tournament C) The morta...

Base Goku and Final Form Frieza seemed to be around equals when they exchanged punches when Frieza was brought back to Earth. Not the best piece of evidence, but it would have been impossible if Base Goku got nerfed at all. They sort of caught each other off-guard with those punches though, and we'...

I still don't think the Hakai thing was that impressive at all. Beerus blew it away like it was absolutely nothing to him, which implies that the amount of energy used wasn't even close to his own level of power, yet Goku still couldn't survive it entirely on his own and needed to get bailed out wh...

GT cannot fit into Super's canon at all. It's completely impossible: - Goku and Vegeta never use Super Saiyan God again, and Super Saiyan 4 comes out of nowhere - Supreme Kai and Kibito are fused again, which would make no sense - Gohan goes Super Saiyan again, seemingly losing his Ultimate form on...

And Trunks' Yellow Ki Sword was also a sharp object that can cut things. Yet that did not shatter Merged Zamasu's Ki Sword. Trunks' Spirit Sword shattered it instantly because of a difference in power. Yes, it powered up to a point where it could shatter it. So what? The point being was that it was...

The Spirit Sword is a cutting technique. Swords cut things. The Spirit Sword is an extension of Trunks' power upon absorbing the Spirit Bomb. It cut Zamasu where Trunks' Yellow Ki Sword did not because of a difference in sheer power. Your counterargument literally makes no sense. It doesn't change ...

And Krillin cut off Frieza's tail, so Namek Krillin >> Second Form Frieza. Nothing alike, Krillin just used a cutting technique. Trunks absorbed the power of the Spirit Bomb as well as Goku and Vegeta's powrr and used that power to form a Spirit Blade that allowed him to push back Merged Zamasu and...

In the manga's 25th chapter, Goku says that the 2 fused Zamasus have the same power as before yet Vegeta was able to blow BOTH of them to bits. The only one who was able to toy with Zamasu was Vegetto so does that mean for a split second Vegeta was as strong as Vegetto ? Incomplete SSB has a very q...