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by Hugo Boss
Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:25 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1635122

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

What do you think of my gaps above? Well, if you mean the debate about Base Gohan vs. Piccolo in RoF, I think the movie suggests everyone is holding back immensely, specially Gohan. It’s rather inconclusive if Base Gohan can beat someone above Piccolo’s level. Instead, he resorts to Super Saiyan an...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:45 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1635122

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

It never mentioned any forms for Vegito it just said Vegito when comparing SS4 and Potara Fusion(Vegito) and I agree with Herms take on it, he think its supposed to be a hypothetical GT Vegito and since Goku can use SS3 it's very possible that what's being compared is SS3 GT Vegito and SS4. ??? I’m...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:38 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1635122

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Weird, that may very well be the case, but I always took that scene when reading as Shin thinking the sacred sword is already being used by other than Gohan and kinda being tested and played with haha. Which is kinda related, isn’t? (These Saiyans are treating a sacred object that not even the gods...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:29 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1635122

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

This mostly comes from seeing Goku struggling initially to wield the sword, but as soon as Goku starts swinging it, Shin’s reaction is one of those moments where you can tell “this guy is just too strong for my standards”. Is that an anime thing? Because in the chapter 478 it's Kibito who looks baf...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:06 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1635122

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

it's hard to say if it also means Gohan's base form is above Shin in at least physical strength, since Shin never tried to hold the sword. This mostly comes from seeing Goku struggling initially to wield the sword, but as soon as Goku starts swinging it, Shin’s reaction is one of those moments wher...
by Hugo Boss
Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:43 pm
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1635122

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

Who is the strongest character that a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegetto (Z) could defeat in both GT and Super? Since we have nothing to go by, I guess SS4 Goku and SSB Goku, respectively? This seems like a almost logical answer to me, but something feels off. I come from the idea that SS Vegetto was surpas...
by Hugo Boss
Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:28 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 42696
Views: 5695454

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

I haven't been following the manga much, but has the Super Hero arc ended? Did Goten and Trunks get more spotlight, and did Toyotaro provide a better explanation for Piccolo and Gohan's transformations? It covered pretty much all the movie content, leaving possible future developments for Carmine. ...
by Hugo Boss
Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:44 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: What is the extent of Kami-sama's abilities as uh Kami
Replies: 8
Views: 948

Re: What is the extent of Kami-sama's abilities as uh Kami

One that comes to mind is the ability of granting the physical body to characters that went to the afterlife.
by Hugo Boss
Tue Jan 02, 2024 1:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933178

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I'm not aware of anything that puts Gas above the UI avatar. If the wish alone is the basis for it, then he should've been stronger than UI avatar even before he zombified, but he wasn't. The wish still works within the limitations of the fighter. The wish also doesn't necessarily give the fighter ...
by Hugo Boss
Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:38 am
Forum: Fan-Created Works
Topic: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread
Replies: 12581
Views: 1635122

Re: Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

What's the evidence for Supreme Kai being weaker than the base saiyans? Base Gohan and Base Goku can lift the heavy z sword, albeit with difficulty. Kibito and Shin can’t. That only speaks for their muscle strength though. Kibito, for example, has combat abilities that can make him a tough fight fo...
by Hugo Boss
Mon Jan 01, 2024 9:49 pm
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: The removal of the Power Pole in the Dragon Ball
Replies: 10
Views: 779

Re: The removal of the Power Pole in the Dragon Ball

I seems at least that Dragon Ball Daima will have Goku using the power pole again, but I’m still waiting for him to use it in conjunction with Ultra Instinct. Weapons embedded or made by spiritual energy are very common in the franchise. Very classical examples are Krillin’s kienzan and Vegetto’s ki...
by Hugo Boss
Mon Jan 01, 2024 8:15 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933178

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Also in Super Hero the reason he was brought to Beerus' planet was because Freeza still wanted to recruit him, but in the manga continuity this doesn't make sense since he has his Black Freeza transformation. It’s possible that Freeza is planning on recruiting strong warriors to defeat Beerus and w...
by Hugo Boss
Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:33 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933178

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

It just occurred to me that maybe it won’t take long to Oracle Fish’s prophecy being fulfilled, if Goku and Vegeta somehow surpass Black Freeza in the new arc. That seems to be the only layer that stops them from matching Beerus, unless he has another secret technique.
by Hugo Boss
Sun Dec 31, 2023 5:24 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933178

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The only outlier is the zen exhibition match where shin is hurt more than son by rumoshi but I personally consider that more a gag at shins expense than a serious powerscaling statement. Could be it affects people who only have god ki more and goku was spared because he was in base, maybe his heari...
by Hugo Boss
Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:29 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933178

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

I don’t think the idea of power-creep is the problem in this case. It’s the lack of subtext or direct reference suggesting X has done things proving that he is stronger than Y. For instance, we take as a given that Trunks is stronger than Freeza because we actually see him beating Freeza and the and...
by Hugo Boss
Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:34 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933178

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Cabba and Caulifla don’t need to be at Raditz level, but it should be a given they aren’t stronger than Super Saiyans in their base forms. Kale has that treatment because she is like Broly. From my perspective, Base Goku and Base Vegeta, after polishing what they were lacking, can manage to fight on...
by Hugo Boss
Fri Dec 29, 2023 10:21 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933178

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The only assumption we would have to make here is that TOP UI was of the last resort UI type, but was too short lived and inefficient to show the full scope of UI's abilities due to Goku's lack of training. I’m not convinced by it. Nothing points to that version being stronger than the ones that ap...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Dec 28, 2023 7:47 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933178

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

interesting enough, Anime Jiren did end up losing against UI Goku because mental strength, not physical strength=endurance In fact, had he not lost his will to fight, he would have been able to tank UI Goku that bit longer enough for Goku to get the side effect of limit-breaking so hard. Yeah, in t...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Dec 28, 2023 2:48 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933178

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Whatever tool he is using to translate what it’s being said in those instances, it’s equivocally inserting physical strength where stamina is the most preferred take, in my viewpoint. While sometimes they can be used interchangeably (stamina can be the physical and/or mental strength to do something...
by Hugo Boss
Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:57 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 39974
Views: 3933178

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

The image you linked is translated differently from what the official site says: “Even more shocking is that Jiren managed to dominate both Goku and Hit while holding back his true power to conserve his stamina!”. This is exactly the quirk that Vegeta is talking about, but after Goku starts dominati...