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First, without their suits, Heliotes are likely just as strong as a normal human so let's be honest, Your point about Cell still stands, as Cell is so far above them, but I just want to point out that although the Heliotes are relatively weak in terms of the other characters, in human terms they sh...

I definitely feel that staleness in regards to Goku and Vegeta. They've been circling the same beats since the end of the Boo arc, but with none of Vegeta's end of arc acceptance that actually made said dynamic interesting. Broly just plays the same old beat all over: they don't want to team up, bu...

I feel like the Vegeta and Goku relationship is interesting because we've got to see a Vegeta that is comfortable hanging around Goku now that he's mellowed out enough. In the original manga there's no way he would have ever trained with him but now he does. Obviously there's only so far you can tak...

I wonder how often Ginyu has done this "Ring a Ring o' Roses" move where he ends up back in his original body.

"A-tishoo! A-tishoo! We all fall down!"

I'm just scratching my head while wondering "How?", at no point in the previous page is looks like he used the "Change" ability... Fake-outs like that are quite typical in manga, where the characters don't see something so the audience doesn't either, but... it's hard to imagine...

This entire situation is why when you have a story that depends on power escalation, power scaling actually is important (not fake fan powerlevels, but a clear and consistent power hierarchy by the author), and getting it wrong fucks up the story. Goku's actions are more or less forgiveable based on...

In theory, yes. Hybrids have been noted for their enormous potential and incredibly accelerated rate of growth when they apply themselves. What if they lose power quicker too when not training? Gohan has lost power from not training twice now and it seemed to be a drastic amount, so it's not unreas...

Power and energy have always been mixed together in DB in a way that doesn't make much sense realistically. How does that work? It's a mechanical device, how does it become more powerful just because he trained his organic body? And why not make the reactor that powerful to begin with? Why is there ...

Okay, now THAT I didn't expect. It does make sense for Ginyu to improve, like Brikikoz said though. He was fairly unique among Freeza's troops to begin with.

Told you he should have damaged the King Cold body. Even if he hits someone good now it will only be out of good luck.

The King Cold body doesn't seem all that damaged - they were just holding him with their Kai ability, and he never damaged himself - so now he's put North Supreme Kai in the King Cold body.

I think interpreting it to mean that the amount of extra power he gained was on par with SS3 makes a lot more sense than saying that SS3 Goku is as strong as Buuhan, because all that means is that SS3 Goku or at least max power SS3 Goku is equal to Gohan. If the latter is true, it completely ruins t...

Agreed. The plot hole claimers use a fallacy to claim it as such, stating that since his head was destroyed, that must mean ALL of its contents were as well, but that's nonsense . The only thing questionable is the details, because you do have to ask, if the nucleus just landed next to his body and...

It seems to be taken as a plothole because he gets his upper half blown up by Goku and then still regenerates even though it's supposed to be inside his head, but the thing is, when we learn about his core, it's after his entire body detonates, so how can it really be? We are clearly shown that the ...

Yes, at least in DBM. That's not a thing in the original is it? Gohan just splattered them, so if they had regen in the original, you have to assume it was a lot weaker than what daddy had, either that or their core cell was a lot weaker and easier to destroy, which is how a Cell Jr has been killed...

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote:#1 - Goku, Krillin, Gohan & Yajirobe vs Vegeta

Big agree - 100% on this one! Easily the best fight in the series for me in terms of how it goes down and what it sets up.

jcogginsa wrote:That strikes me as a deliberate misreading of the Tingly Back thing. The Tingly Back is about activating the Super Saiyan form. Goku doesn't have an emotional breakdown every time he transforms

No, but I figured he summoned the memory and had that feeling in mind.

I'm not really bothered by the "tingly back" thing in theory if we were starting from scratch, because at least it's a technique that somebody could know or not know, and that adds a small dimension of interest to things, but in reality it contradicts everything that came up before. Goku t...

mute_proxy wrote:It's just a different kind of "magic", metamoran magic that gives the user metamoran clothes

So it's like you have a piece of software (Fusion) and then you have the brand of the people that make it (the clothes). Good thing they don't have to pay royalties!

Isn't this more out of universe than in-universe? It would have worked to keep it the strongest if there were some kind of limitations or consequences to it, but beyond it being connected to the feeling of righteous anger, there's not anything particular in the build up to Super Saiyan being achieve...