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How this scene is filler? I though the whole TV Special was canon It's not. It never was. Actually, it was. Toriyama himself stated he placed the story and setting of that special in his manga. Even the scenes from the special make it into the manga. The problem arises from Minus. i guess you could...

...no. You realize that going Super Saiyan wastes energy, right? He may have gone Super Saiyan self-consciously, but going Super Saiyan, if it's the exact same as base form as you say, would have done nothing but make Goku weaker, as at that point the form is just draining energy from him. But no, ...

I think that's still the machinery pulling itself together, it's just inside and under the skin :) Anyway, I don't think this is inconsistent. Porunga said he put Krillin back together again just before he was revived, right? Besides, if Freeza COULD pull this shit off, but he wasn't able to becaus...

Like I said, i don't even care anymore that conversation has grown tiresome real fast. I will let you and anyone else believe whatever they want to believe. My advice to you for the future is, if you ever start out a post like this, just stop writing right there and walk away. If you don't care abo...

Well, I am not blissfully ignoring anything. There's nothing that can be done about it. It is what it is. When I say blissfully ignore, I mean ignoring what makes it illogical to begin with and going "It is what it is" as if that make the plot hole somehow better. Like I said, i don't eve...

I feel like I'm watching Toriyama become George Lucas. Fans were all excited he was back and coming up with new material for the franchise, but then after a few mishaps now they seem to want him to just STOP and give the reigns to someone else. I don't think Toriyama has done anything that bad. Thi...

The whole concept of "Zenkai" wasn't even introduced or explained until the Namek arc, which was only done so that the Saiyans could keep up with Freeza and his elite soldiers. And after that point the whole idea of Zenkai's was never brought again until Super Perfect Cell appeared. Zenka...

It would be glorious if someone told toriyama how he freaking forgets important plot points, is there not anyone on the staff that has decent knowledge on dbz so they can correct him? Geez. I'm still hype tho. It could also be taken as that shenron doesn't want to revive freeza, so he tries to make...

Because the series never had old antagonists coming back stronger than before right? Only if you took those examples blindly out of context... When people say something something says pretty fanfiction they are not talking so much about the quality of said work unless they specific good or bad fanf...

Goku went from a power level of 8000 to 150,000,000 in 6 six days. Just putting that out there. Grrrrr... Fine, I'll bite. Lets go further back to Goku's 416 when he confronted Raditz. nearly a year later with about six months of special training from North Kaio Goku went from over 416 to over 8,00...

3 years seems a good estimate based on the Beerus clock. Leaving us with 4 years till the Eoz, right? Just enough space for a third film, making a neat trilogy. Year 2 : Yo Son Goku and his friends return Year 4 : Battle of gods Year 7 : Revival of F Year 10 : Final Tenkaichi It leaves us with 2 (o...

Where does all this hate for the Pilaf Gang come from? I thought they were generally well-liked characters who were missed in Z. :? A lot of people think Dragon Ball = Serious business, Violence and Blood. Some people just care about DBZ not DB. Pilaf trio not being the most interesting characters ...

You're ignoring the second part. "Do that Super Saiyan thing and throw in a kiai." SSJ=Gohan doing his SSJ thing. Ultimate=Gohan doing his SSJ thing and throwing in a kiai. The second part is irrelevant as it doesn't change the first part. Activate Ultimate by turning SSJ, throwing in a k...

No I'm not, "the gist of becoming a Super Saiyan" and "just become a Super Saiyan" are completely different. Yes you are, do you even know what the word gist means? It means the main or essential part of a matter. Synonyms with essence, point, substance, burden, kernel, import. ...

FatNagger69, you are debating pointless semantics. Elder Kaioshin is basically saying turn SSJ to activate his Ultimate state which he does. Plus you ignored my other bit that further goes into depth with what you quoted.

The level of griping really is getting over the top though, for a movie that again, isn't even out yet to fully judge. Especially in concern to Gohan, nothing was ever, ever officially stated that he couldn't still transform into a SS, or that the 'Ultimate' power up couldn't fade away due to his l...

Regardless of what Toriyama said in the interviews, I feel like Battle of Gods itself already provides an explanation (which could end up being wrong, but seems like the direction they are heading IMO). Goku dropped out of Super Saiyan God, fought in base form and then even jumped into Super Saiyan...

Just to interject here, the whole Whis and Beerus flying across the cosmos. That always looked similar to Thor flying across the universe using the bifrost. I say this because at the end of the movie when the light surrounds Beerus and Whis they fly into the air, but enter some form of portal/wormho...

The logic I see some people use for a hypothetical Gogeta in the Boo arc is that the characters weren't considering Super Saiyan 3, just Super Saiyan 1. I think you are not confusing this with not considering SS3 for Gotenks to beat Fat Boo. Which makes sense, because SS3 wasn't needed for Gotenks ...

and how they ruined Vegeta. I disagree with all the people saying how they "ruined" Vegeta. it's development. He threw away his pride on purpose to distract Beerus so he wouldn't destroy anything for the sake of his family. Vegetas very next line was petty much "I can't believe I mad...