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I wonder if Vegeta’s new ability/power will have any drawbacks to prevent him from spamming it in the future. Like he can take out Moro but it leaves him drained afterwards, making the ability less appealing against multiple adversaries. Kaioken is hard on the users body, spirit bomb takes a while t...

[/quote] I mean, what evidence do you really need? Vegeta is a Super Elite. He was born with the absolute highest power level of any Saiyan ever on planet Vegeta (with the exception of Broly ofcourse). Goku was literally stated (many times) to be nothing more than a random low class warrior. Vegeta ...

Spirit control was never something when Akira wrote Goku going to Yardrat. Goku didn’t use Spirit Control to block Trunks sword with a finger. He did that bc he is a beast. It’s implied Goku trained on Yardrat and learned IT, we don’t know if Goku gained power level while there but one could assume ...

Vegeta will be the superior one imo. I am very confident in that. But we’ll see what time shows. There’s a reason he arrives on earth later than Kakkarot this time around. Spirit Control has unlocked his true, hidden potential after all these years of existence. He had never been able to fully util...

What technique do you think Vegeta learned on Yardrat? His spirit control seems to have given him a boost in power, which is always nice, but power alone vs Moro won’t cut it.

Whachu guys think of who is stronger after both their trainings, Goku or Vegeta? Vegeta has been under some training on Yardrat and Goku has been training with an Angel in a ROSAT. Based off everything available, assuming they started their training approx the same power level, who should realistic...

Whachu guys think of who is stronger after both their trainings, Goku or Vegeta? Vegeta has been under some training on Yardrat and Goku has been training with an Angel in a ROSAT. Based off everything available, assuming they started their training approx the same power level, who should realisticl...

Let me imply that no way would potara fusion of a mortal and an immortal would drastically reduce the effectiveness of a wish granted by Super Shenron. It's like you are telling me that someone negated a wish from the Super Dragon Balls, which is stupid as these wishes are supreme and pretty much M...

I wanted to get everyones thoughts on something. My apologies if someone else brought this up, but I thought of a possible, or even potentially cool connection. So everyone knows that the Room of Spirit and Time has been around since its introduction many years ago. But is there, or has there always...

I'm not saying I want him to be an Angel. However I think the more people that have gotten catastrophically strong solely by training, like Jiren, the more it diminishes the strides that the Z team has gone through. No, Goku and company aren't the only people allowed to be super strong, but it just ...

I'm not sold that he is or isn't an angelic host, however...... If he isn't, then I hope they do justice to his backstory. Where did he get this knowledge of UI, can he use UI? Why is he concealing his power even in the face of someone like Moro, when thats his job as Galctic Patrol? Was he ordered ...

Alright, after chapter 52, there are 3 cliffhangers, Piccolo ( bc we all wanna see The Demon King get some shine), Vegeta for obvious reasons, and mainly Goku and Merus. What are everyone's thoughts about Merus? I've heard some thoughts that he is an Angel, if so then he is retired...maybe he's from...

Those guys are bandits, so it would be cool for our former bandit Yamcha to shine a little, especially after everything that happened to him in Super. ^^ ThiS right here! This is the kinda stuff that would actually be awesome. It gives the old "B" class of the franchise ( C or D class wit...

To be fair, Ultra Instinct Goku only got tagged by Hidden Power Jiren a few key times. The first time, he engaged in a beam struggle that Jiren could brute-force through; next, he deflected one of Goku's own blasts at him before then hitting him again in midair while he's reeling from the blow. The...

I just hope they give Merus a very thorough, in-depth background and reason for him being able to toy with a post ToP ssj3 Goku. Otherwise, there are questions like.." where the F has he been" If this guys has the dodge-haxz like he does and a stun gun that is more powerful than Frieza's g...

We are assuming the heirarchy goes something like this: Zeno Guards or Grand priest Angels Gods of Destruction UI users Everyone else. Clearly it's implied Goku in MUI is above some if not all the Gods, as well as Jiren, but for simplicity, thats the gist. Ultra instinct seems to either be a form/st...

I agree that Gohan is the worst when it comes to undeserved power, except for the very 1st SSJ transformation,which I would argue he actually earned it the MOST, over goku and vegeta. Goku got it by not trying to achieve it. Sure, he was trying to beat freezer-pops, but not trying to go SSJ. It happ...

Gohan only "rivaled" Blue Goku before the TOP. During the TOP Gohan couldn't bust a grape against Toppo. Whom Blue Vegeta was battling evenly. I think we can legitimately define Gohan's power as noticeably below Blue at the time of the TOP. Not to mention,a Blue Goku that kept sandbagging...

I guess defining terms is kinda important in all of this.

People are saying that Gohan and No 17 are in the same realm as SSB Goku/Vegeta.

How are we defining realm? Close to similar power levels? Above a certain power tier?

Even with everything it's hard for me to say that Buu has surpassed Goku and Vegeta in terms of power output. It seems its more due to the magic vs magic fight that is giving him the main advantage. Although Boo’s special abilities let him overcome some of Moro’s moves, I think he is definitely mor...