Kanzenshuu

Hopefully Goku using Silver UI means the Granolah Saga was erased from existence.

It's the only appropriate stance. What happens to fictional characters is decided by the whims of authorial intent alone. Ultimate Gohan has never been a static power boost, and there is no such thing as "pre UE" Beerus. Static boost or not, Gohan hasn't done any training but he's suddenl...

Isn't the change rather to the date of Planet Vegeta's destruction, instead of to Goku's birth year? Goku arrives on Earth "around 10 years" before the events of Dragon Ball, according to the Jaco manga, and Dragon Ball begins in Age 749. So Goku is still born around Age 737, and is aroun...

I don't think asking "What are the writers thinking" is a good stance because they're not even thinking at all. Last time we saw Ultimate Gohan he was leagues behind Blue Goku but now he's "on par". Watching DBSB you'd think it was just Broly >= Beerus, but in the manga it's actu...

Since we were talking about tier lists, this is how I view things currently. Blue Fusions Broly Beerus Freeza ~ Gohan Cell Max ~ Gas Goku ~ Vegeta ~ Piccolo Granolah Moro Jiren Gammas Merged Zamasu Kefla Android 17 Beerus has gotten stronger since the ToP. Broly hasn't since he just started his trai...

Fight sequences in the movies are written by the animators, not Toriyama. I do get the feeling that Toriyama underestimated the cast in RoF, but we know that's now how it goes anyway. Kuririn being a coward is nowhere near as direct as the 1.3 million line, which everybody knows is bull. What's next...

U6, Zamasu and ToP all came from his head, they were his ideas and Toyotaro and Toei just polished them. RoF feels like a weird stopgag between BoG (Introducing multiverse) and Super (Exploring multiverse), but he was all in with it from 2015 to 2018. Zamasu and ToP were pretty high stakes (One had ...

Wait, for real? Awesome, I always wondered how strong Future Vegeta was. Yeah. Even Vegeta, whose ability was on par with Goku, is defeated by the artificial humans! It's weird though because in the OVA Gohan thinks he can beat the androids both times, but I guess he just didn't know how strong Veg...

I wouldn't discard something like that, though, and I won't lie, I'd like to see where the story goes if the new big bad is no longer unreachable by the first episode, if they take him to fight Freeza, if a new threat arises or how the story unfolds after the hierarchy is disputed so soon. To be fa...

Future Krillin vs Goku [Can only use default Kaioken; Ginyu arc]. Future Piccolo vs Goku [Can only use default Kaioken; Mecha arc]. Future Vegeta [Super Saiyan] vs Goku [Super Saiyan; Mecha arc]. Goku, but it's close until he turns on KK. On Namek Kuririn was 75k and rising, so I can see him being ...

If Gotenks were so strong, Vegeta wouldn't think Beerus one shotting Goku wouldn't be the end of the world.

Beerus says SSJ(2?) Vegeta (Pre rage) is a good fighter but thinks nothing of SSJ Gotenks, so I think skill definitely covers this gap somehow.

Broly just regained his crown with the minimal training he's done. What's the big deal? He went from from base level to Blue fusion in one fight, why can't he get a couple times stronger with actual training? In hindsight, Toyotaro probably "ignored" Uchida because he just slipped a spoile...

Come to think of it, Goku doesn't even have to be stronger than Gotenks. Not only is fusion always left out of comparisons, but Gotenks is the most reliable character ever. He's completely off the table in RoF despite being the strongest fighter on Earth. The movie even avoids showing SSJ3 Gotenks.....

Hence why I don't think we're ever getting that direct tangle with Black Freeza either... Maybe. I think this one is just a matter of whether Toriyama and co. are even interested in such a story. Daima gives me the impression AT is bored with Super, and I feel Manga Super Hero is just buying time w...

I think it goes the other way around. He's clearly in the right state of mind at the Budokai, not so much at the spaceship. He's reminded of SSJ2 Gohan moments before Yakon shows up. I think Piccolo is only considered strong at the Cell Games because people want him to be. He has 0 feats other than ...

I'd find it really weird if Goku wasn't the strongest by EoZ. It's his series!

I think so, because Gohan was likely already more than simply <50% amidst the clash, as according to VIZ, it's said Gohan hasn't put out his true power "yet" by Goku, which implies he was already in the process but not quite there yet. Cell seemed to be smiling and having a little fun by ...

I'm all aboard Toriyama's train of thought there. Rematches aren't necessary, and Toriyama himself is far more interested in using the next character/antagonist/villain as the ever-moving goalpost. He actually keeps taking them FURTHER away from us! I think that's quaint, neat, and quintissential D...

Power level crunch aside, is there any reason to think Cell is close to Gohan? He was dominating a <50% Gohan, but then got pulverized by 100% Gohan. There's a lot of room here. Going by the Boo Saga, Gohan is respectable and Cell isn't.

The RoF one is so conclusive you wouldn't even think of it without reading this direction cue on the obscure, hard to find script.